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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg on with Gene and Chris on

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this week's episode of the power cast

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you know as many of our listeners are

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where we use a Microsoft product

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use Skype with problem with Skype is

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that it's not very reliable as a lot of

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our listeners know what it works the

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sound quality is good Chris sounds

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almost as good as if he was across the

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room from me almost as good but not

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quite sometimes you get garbling

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connections and sometimes we get

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through sometimes to get these shows

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done boy ain't that the truth right but

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then you know I can't have Chris drive

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we don't need to do that anymore this is

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the generation of telecommuting or

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something in any case this is the second

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relationship that I know of to the

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condition and now we hear dr. Jesse

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seeing his dad Jesse Marcel senior come

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in with the Roswell debris spread it out

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on the floor and have him come in and

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check it out I had never had the

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the pleasure of meeting him until the

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recent Washington DC citizen disclosure

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faux hearings and I had a chance to meet

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he it was really a sweet guy I was taken

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to have him there and I'm sure he will

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be missed by a lot of people who are

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researchers out there over the years who

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him he just seemed like a really sweet

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the troops so he'll be missed and you're

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for the Roswell event now for those who

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want to check our archives we had dr.

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screwed up this very much impacted his

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balloon why it can't be a mogul balloon

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anything like that but so many years

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into cattle mutilations and other

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paranormal events Christopher as a field

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investigator how do you consider doing

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research of events that are so far off

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just it's it's quality of sources to

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chapter in verse where where this rumor

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sources and being able to confirm that

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source in some manner that that's the

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if I can get documentation if I can cite

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it the source material and and then get

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confirmation of that then I'll run with

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it I think this came into play when we

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about a bat-like creature a possible

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Iowa Mothman and once again looking into

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old documentation to see what happened

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shakers of that community so it

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certainly had credibility we don't know

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really what happened but at least we

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field Aztec where you don't have a

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documentation pursuing this book now a

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us more credentials than you can wish

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for and you have to contrast that with

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educational or a military background and

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evidence boy did he we that is dd-214

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have that paper to prove who and what

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you were and you'd be surprised how many

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people claim that experience and when

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you say dd-214 they go

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later now Walker has to beat books out

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there called empire of the wheel and it

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story of questionable deaths going back

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facts trying to come up with a credible

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session and we're talking about here a

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guy who's been in the FBI been in

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military counterintelligence he's a

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private investigator he knows his stuff

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about unearthing facts and you're gonna

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hear some really fascinating stuff so

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we've got Walter Bosley joining Jeanne

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and Chris you're in the para cast attack

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of the rock odes has been well received

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by critics and readers alike it's a

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thrill a minute story you'll never

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forget a former US military intelligence

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officer is haunted by intense dreams

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about a beautiful woman pleading for his

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help after a terrible battle in outer

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space but the dreams turn out to be true

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and thrust him into a telepathic love

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affair with a woman who's faraway planet

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now the gripping tale continues in the

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coming of the protectors it's the second

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book of the raccoons trilogy a galaxy

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spanning adventure that pits our hapless

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heroes against powerful fanatical

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enemies that threaten the lives of

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freedom loving beings everywhere attack

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protectors classic science fiction at

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calm gold isn't for you Ted Anderson

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world's premier gold and precious metal

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investing firms I get it you wouldn't

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buy gold if you believed that the

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dollars like bailout candy that's Social

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happening you might even pass on gold if

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the stimulus package wouldn't fuel

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inflation or that the dollar wouldn't

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lose value or that your retirement will

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be secured if all looks rosy to you then

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now is not the time to buy goal for the

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realists there have never been more

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sobering reasons to diversify with gold

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since 2001 the US Dollar Index has

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tanked 30% while gold has risen 300

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percent right now savvy investors are

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adding gold to their portfolios you

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should to find out what they know call

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us and I'll send you 10 reasons why gold

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will do very well 3 eight hundred six

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three seven what's safer and cheaper

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glad you asked the answer is renovation

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much cheaper than prescription drugs

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tastes great and most importantly herbal

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renovation tea is especially unique and

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if you have a comment a question about

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the para cast sent it to news at the

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para cast calm that's news at the para

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cast calm and don't forget to visit our

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famous para cast community forums at

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forum dot the para cast calm yes he

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worked for the FBI yes he's a former

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counterintelligence agent his name was

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Walter Bosley he's been on the power

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cast several times before but this time

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we're going to sharply focus not on UFOs

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and disinformation and all that NSA

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stuff that's going on but on his two

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books empire of the wheel the original

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and the sequel empire of the wheel too

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but before we go that Walter Bosley

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first welcome back to the para cast

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thanks for having me Chris and Gina I

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appreciate it now unfortunately we found

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in this field as you know you got into

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this discussion in our forums at forum

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got the power cast calm where people

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legitimately ask for your credentials

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your background and let me preface this

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by the fact that a couple of years back

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we discovered that Phil and Brock no who

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was pretty well known in the UFO field

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who had written a book with dr. J Allen

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Hynek

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his educational credentials were fake

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his military background was fake and now

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there's this article at Kevin Randall's

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different perspective about a guy who

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really did have

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military service did receive lots of

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accolades and a long career named

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Richard French yet his current claim

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half his credentials were faked his

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educational credentials were faked he

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claims to have been one of the authors

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of Project Blue Book documents and we

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can't verify that either so I guess

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we're seeing here Walter that even

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people who have somewhat of a background

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aren't afraid to embellish a little bit

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unfortunately that is the case you know

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that deaths that's why for one thing

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investigative agencies have things like

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Internal Affairs Department because you

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know unfortunately there are people who

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to some degree are involved our

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credentials are legit but they seem to

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want to cross a line and I mean that I'm

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not familiar personally with the Richard

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French case but from what you've just

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said here it sounds like a guy who you

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know wanted to be involved with

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something now that he feels is exciting

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and interesting and you know has crossed

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a line just to to buy some attention so

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to speak it yeah it was actually Walter

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just for your information he was

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included in the the list of witnesses at

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the recent citizens hearing on

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disclosure of faux hearings and in DC he

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actually contacted me a number of years

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ago and and really he bugged me to to

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sit and talk with him and I just always

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had a sense that I never did follow up

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on it and I just felt that some of his

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claims the few of them that I was aware

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of just seems so over the top that you

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know I just didn't waste my time with it

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and I'm not surprised to hear that he's

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being the veracity of his background and

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some of his statements are being

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questioned by by someone like Kevin uh

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it doesn't surprise me in the least yeah

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well III try to be clear with people on

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on what I was and what I was not you

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know sometimes people when I was doing

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my work where I was out of the country a

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lot in counterterrorism you know friends

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and associates acquaintances would kind

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of describe what I would

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do and sometimes they would get it wrong

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they would you know tell somebody you

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know I was more than the lines with some

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type of commando tag guy and I would

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correct them and say no no I I didn't do

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that type of work I was more kind of in

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the spook field and the threat

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assessment field that kind of thing

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never a commando so I try to be really

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sensitive to the descriptions and make

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sure that I'm being as accurate and

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correct as I can possibly be okay now I

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guess the key here is because of what

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you've done and we'll ask you to very

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briefly just mention we're not going to

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extend a long discussion on it

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are you constrained in any way from

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telling us the things you did well yes

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I'm constrained in the details of

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operations I'm constrained in telling

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you know like certain people are

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identifying you know certain people who

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I might have worked with operationally

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but in a general sense you know as I've

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stated before you know I can I can state

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the fact that I worked in counter

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espionage operations that in itself is

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not classified the fact that the u.s.

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government does you know conducts a

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double-agent operations this is no

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secret this kind of thing you know has

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been going on since World War two and

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before so well sources of methods or

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where you start getting into a little

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sensitive areas yeah it's actually

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mostly because in all honesty a lot of

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the sources or the methods anyway

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they're kind of out there you know these

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things surprisingly don't really change

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that much except where the technological

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stuff is concerned it's when you get

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into human sources and when you get into

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identifying a specific certain specific

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people associated with certain specific

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places and targets you mean then then I

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could get in big trouble because that's

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revealing operational things that I'm

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not at liberty to discuss now when we

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look at things like on TV we have a TV

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show called covert affairs on a USA

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Network which you're probably familiar

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with produced by one of the producers of

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the Bourne

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movies so it has some pretty good action

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and they've got this lead actress woman

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her early thirties who plays a young CIA

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agent who goes around the world and gets

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into all sorts of trouble but you also

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have interplays between the office you

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have the office politics you have people

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getting involved with one another people

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are trying to discredit one another

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people trying to kill one another and

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how exaggerated is something like that

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from the real world of intelligence well

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for most of my experience over roughly

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18 years I would say I would have said

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that's greatly exaggerated however I did

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work with with one outfit which

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astonishingly that wouldn't be

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exaggerated I mean this one unit had the

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worst management I'd ever encountered

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it had a clique that was powerful

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because they were in tight with the bad

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manager and the cliques members you know

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would make it their their little hobby

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to destroy people they didn't like

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personally um let's see there was a lot

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of getting involved with each other you

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might say it was it was quite it was

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quite a toxic soap opera in in that that

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one unit so I have experienced some of

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the melodrama you know that can happen

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now all throughout my career you know

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just like anyone who's worked for Uncle

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Sam will tell you you encounter

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incompetent management you encounter you

482
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know office politics but fortunately I

483
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can say that most of my career was spent

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in the operational arena so like when I

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was with the FBI I worked in what they

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call off-site location and our daily

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focus were operation and when I was in

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OSI I spent you know about half of my

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time working in an office you know

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detached from the main office that kind

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of things I was fortunate except for

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that one unit I really didn't encounter

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a lot of that stuff like you see on TV

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shows

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and as you could guess they take a

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creative license to make it more

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interesting to watch of course because

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it has to be resolved in forty three and

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a half minutes plus the commercials

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otherwise listen that's how it goes but

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you know the office politics it doesn't

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just apply to intelligence or police

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it's everywhere

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we've got Walter Bosley and it sounds

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like he's been everywhere with Jean and

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available only at usa.org there's a huge

554
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and hushed up conspiracy going on that's

555
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about to turn your lives upside down and

556
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they're coming few months unbelievably

557
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the media are keeping quiet about this

558
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I'm sure they know it but they probably

559
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know that revealing it on TV will

560
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generate mass hysteria and chaos but I

561
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believe you should be informed about it

562
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because when the sinister agenda is

563
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finally accomplished and everything

564
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unravels only those who know this secret

565
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info will survive and thrive go to 1 2 3

566
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conspiracy calm right now to see the

567
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truth the video of 1 2 3 conspiracy

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dot-com reveals the real secret reason

569
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why Obama is after your guns and ammo

570
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and it's not just in response to mass

571
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murders of preparing for war it's

572
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something much darker go watch the video

573
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now at 1 2 3 conspiracy calm before they

574
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shut it down again that's 1 2 3

575
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conspiracy calm weakened by GMOs

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stressed out about money and blasted by

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578
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Ginny and that was the state I was in

579
00:26:13,859 --> 00:26:10,719
back in 2010 then I learned about RNA

580
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drops I learned that 97% of my DNA that

581
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,969
scientists have called junk is actually

582
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packed with millions of genes switches

583
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that play a critical role in controlling

584
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how my cells organs and other tissues

585
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behave I learned I don't have to put up

586
00:26:28,139 --> 00:26:26,289
with disease decay or decline like I've

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taking RNA drops a 100% natural formula

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free sample comm hi this is Don Ecker

599
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:06,039
and you are tuned into the para cast let

600
00:27:10,769 --> 00:27:08,049
me tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

601
00:27:14,899 --> 00:27:10,779
here that you probably won't hear

602
00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:14,909
anywhere else hear that George snoring

603
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:17,320
Walter Bosley joins us

604
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:20,799
former counterintelligence agent can we

605
00:27:23,399 --> 00:27:22,450
assume Walter Bosley that you're not

606
00:27:25,889 --> 00:27:23,409
doing that now

607
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:25,899
you're totally retired from that crazy

608
00:27:31,409 --> 00:27:28,090
life and you're just a regular private

609
00:27:33,899 --> 00:27:31,419
citizen like the refugees yes you can

610
00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:33,909
safely and honestly assume that it would

611
00:27:39,149 --> 00:27:35,529
be nice to be otherwise because I'd be

612
00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:39,159
getting a nice fat paycheck but I'm out

613
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,169
here like the rest of you guys you know

614
00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:44,799
just trying to scrape by on a private

615
00:27:50,999 --> 00:27:47,230
investigators license which I I do have

616
00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:51,009
I am a private investigator and also you

617
00:27:55,529 --> 00:27:52,750
know doing my research and doing films

618
00:27:58,769 --> 00:27:55,539
you know a little bit so I've been out

619
00:28:02,430 --> 00:27:58,779
of that then out of the my former

620
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:02,440
profession since about 2006 for a couple

621
00:28:05,999 --> 00:28:03,820
of years there I did background

622
00:28:09,899 --> 00:28:06,009
investigations for the government under

623
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:09,909
contract but haven't done that since

624
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:14,529
2008 alright let's talk about these two

625
00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:17,230
books Empire of the Weald first one's

626
00:28:22,649 --> 00:28:20,200
called Empire of the wheel espionage the

627
00:28:26,129 --> 00:28:22,659
occult and murder in Southern California

628
00:28:28,619 --> 00:28:26,139
and the second one the sequel is called

629
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:28,629
friends from Sonora and I think one of

630
00:28:32,639 --> 00:28:29,919
the issues that Chris and I raised

631
00:28:35,129 --> 00:28:32,649
before we got your arm is trying to put

632
00:28:37,289 --> 00:28:35,139
together the pieces was something that

633
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:37,299
happened so long ago we're talking about

634
00:28:44,129 --> 00:28:40,090
nothing here that goes back to what 1915

635
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:44,139
yeah 98 years ago I remember it well my

636
00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:48,129
friend and talk about trying to put

637
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:49,870
together the pieces baby you're

638
00:28:55,409 --> 00:28:52,510
absolutely right there it is difficult

639
00:28:57,730 --> 00:28:55,419
you know you run into for instance the

640
00:29:00,490 --> 00:28:57,740
the police department here

641
00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:00,500
told me that their records were

642
00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:03,140
destroyed they no longer exist in my

643
00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:04,820
particular when I did my particular

644
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:08,870
query there it's a sure to you know dig

645
00:29:14,530 --> 00:29:11,840
it out you wouldn't think so because you

646
00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:14,540
know a lot of historical record going

647
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:18,260
farther back you know doesn't exist on

648
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:20,330
the one hand with some things that in

649
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:22,610
this particular case I really had the

650
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:25,850
newspaper local newspaper articles and a

651
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:29,440
little bit of archived records

652
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:32,690
genealogical records coroner records

653
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:35,360
which which are scant it really comes

654
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:38,210
down to an analysis and something's

655
00:29:41,530 --> 00:29:39,170
going on here

656
00:29:43,870 --> 00:29:41,540
what the heck exactly is it but at least

657
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:43,880
we didn't have cable TV Talking Heads I

658
00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:46,130
mean if you try to parse together what's

659
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:49,400
happened with today's news you will hear

660
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:52,910
two diametrically opposed versions of

661
00:29:58,450 --> 00:29:55,610
the same story not related to one

662
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,460
another and today I think we have so

663
00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:00,080
much information there's no way to find

664
00:30:05,020 --> 00:30:02,270
out what's really going on so maybe you

665
00:30:07,690 --> 00:30:05,030
were lucky because mass communications

666
00:30:10,750 --> 00:30:07,700
wasn't quite what it was then right well

667
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:10,760
you have a good point there the problem

668
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:16,010
that I did run into was the Wow the

669
00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:19,130
disconnect between all the news reports

670
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:22,790
and you know you can read three news

671
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:24,860
reports on the same day of the same

672
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:29,120
event and you know each one has the

673
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:31,190
details and the facts a little different

674
00:30:36,730 --> 00:30:33,650
a little off in some cases now they

675
00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:36,740
finally started to to get it right so to

676
00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:39,680
speak or be all on the same page but

677
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:41,660
there was a period of time when I was

678
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:45,320
researching one aspect of this whole

679
00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:51,010
thing in which a chunk of news reports

680
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:55,070
indicated that the the central victim of

681
00:31:00,600 --> 00:30:57,530
the seven that are discussed from in the

682
00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:00,610
first book was actually you know

683
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:03,470
actually alive the at least the woman

684
00:31:07,510 --> 00:31:05,450
they identified her to be was alive and

685
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:07,520
she walked into the police department

686
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:10,430
and said oh no no I'm alive subject but

687
00:31:13,810 --> 00:31:11,210
then as you did

688
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:13,820
further you find out no that was not the

689
00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:15,590
case and all of that is kind of like a

690
00:31:22,510 --> 00:31:19,190
red herring that indeed the mystery

691
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:22,520
woman so to speak really really was a

692
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:24,409
mystery woman all right let's talk about

693
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:27,890
the mystery what first attracted you to

694
00:31:32,740 --> 00:31:31,039
this story I mean just waking up one day

695
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:32,750
and saying hey this is a strange thing

696
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:35,270
that happened 98 years ago and was

697
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:36,529
certainly less than that when you

698
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:39,710
started even why well I was interested

699
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:43,279
in paranormal stories specifically any

700
00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:48,950
ghost stories that were linked to what

701
00:31:53,970 --> 00:31:51,230
we call colloquially the ley lines which

702
00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:53,980
I think started calling telluric current

703
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,840
basically the energy grid you know on

704
00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:58,640
the planet that I'm sure a lot of your

705
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:01,190
listeners are already familiar with the

706
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:03,289
basic concept of I was looking for any

707
00:32:08,769 --> 00:32:06,169
ghost stories in this area linked to the

708
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:08,779
energy grid identified to me by author

709
00:32:13,539 --> 00:32:10,970
and researcher sorry

710
00:32:15,010 --> 00:32:13,549
before we go on listeners may not know

711
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,020
what we're talking about here so we

712
00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:16,640
really have to kind of back up a little

713
00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:17,059
bit

714
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:20,390
explain the ley lines the energy sources

715
00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:23,870
and what significance this has and then

716
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:26,440
we can go into more of this case okay

717
00:32:31,570 --> 00:32:29,809
colloquially familiar Lily sorry I'm

718
00:32:33,970 --> 00:32:31,580
stumbling over my cognate so really for

719
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:33,980
me people are familiar with the term ley

720
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:36,590
lines that's actually not accurate a ley

721
00:32:40,990 --> 00:32:38,510
line is is technically something

722
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:41,000
different so I like to stay and Rick

723
00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:42,770
Spence and I my co-author on the first

724
00:32:49,330 --> 00:32:47,240
book and on the upcoming third book we

725
00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:49,340
like to say - lura current telluric

726
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:51,380
current is something that it's it's a

727
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:54,049
scientific fact that it's an extreme low

728
00:33:00,090 --> 00:32:56,750
frequency electromagnetic energy that

729
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:00,100
actually runs through the earth

730
00:33:05,019 --> 00:33:02,510
telegraphy you know the old telegraph

731
00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:05,029
with the Morse code from the 1800s

732
00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:08,120
telegraphy from the 1850s on has tapped

733
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:12,860
into telluric current Tesla for instance

734
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:14,690
Nikola Tesla would tap into telluric

735
00:33:20,409 --> 00:33:17,510
current but this telluric current is in

736
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:20,419
my opinion and others opinion the energy

737
00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:21,860
we're talking about when people talk

738
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:24,980
about this planetary grid of energy

739
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:28,250
that is popular in paranormal and

740
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:30,590
alternative science circles but the

741
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:33,950
telluric current has it has a basis in

742
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:36,290
scientific fact it's a real thing so

743
00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:39,650
when you hear me refer to you know if I

744
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:41,390
throw out the term ley line in the

745
00:33:46,299 --> 00:33:44,690
discussion I am going to use telluric

746
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:46,309
current but if I throw out ley lines

747
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:48,350
that's my application of it it's the

748
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:50,690
energy that runs through the very

749
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,750
terrain it helped form the drain when

750
00:34:00,700 --> 00:33:56,000
when the planet was forming and then it

751
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:00,710
continues to run through the planet so

752
00:34:06,669 --> 00:34:04,460
that's my best thumbnail description I'm

753
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:06,679
not a scientist of course okay so

754
00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:08,470
there's the implication here that maybe

755
00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:13,460
these particular areas they attract more

756
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:15,980
unusual events I mean we're almost at

757
00:34:21,899 --> 00:34:17,570
what they call portal areas but that

758
00:34:29,290 --> 00:34:25,570
these you know these things yes would be

759
00:34:33,070 --> 00:34:29,300
linked to this this grid I agree with

760
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:33,080
that particular opinion that many others

761
00:34:40,330 --> 00:34:37,250
share and so I was looking for ghost

762
00:34:44,109 --> 00:34:40,340
stories you know or other paranormal

763
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:44,119
manifestations reported it might be

764
00:34:50,970 --> 00:34:46,490
linked to this this energy grid and I

765
00:34:55,149 --> 00:34:50,980
happened to find one and this story was

766
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:55,159
it was really posted online by a woman

767
00:35:00,970 --> 00:34:57,650
who lives locally as a librarian woman

768
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:00,980
named Ann Walker and she's one of the

769
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:04,220
folks who had posted on this website

770
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:05,450
called find-a-grave

771
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:06,950
I don't know if you've ever seen it or

772
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,390
heard of it but it's a fascinating

773
00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:10,160
website particularly if you're into

774
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:13,820
genealogical research and she posted a

775
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:17,210
comment about a woman named Cora Stanton

776
00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:21,290
and essentially she claimed that Korus

777
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:24,950
Fenton haunted a mall a shopping mall

778
00:35:31,210 --> 00:35:27,830
that I subsequently learned was built

779
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:31,220
over the place where this chorus phantom

780
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:35,570
woman had died so I thought well that's

781
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:38,370
interesting I got to talk to

782
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:39,900
you know I got to dig into this more

783
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,910
because in my first conversations online

784
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:44,400
within you know we're intriguing enough

785
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:46,380
so I met with her and she gave me you

786
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:47,940
know the details as she knew them

787
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:50,010
she said hey go look at the news stories

788
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:52,590
this woman it was in 1915 there was all

789
00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:56,210
this murky mystery surrounding her death

790
00:36:01,870 --> 00:35:58,230
that you know there's there something

791
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,880
funny going on there so I I went to the

792
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,560
the California room with a local San

793
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:06,240
Bernardino Public Library that their

794
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:09,570
historical archive archive room and I

795
00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:10,980
started looking at these newspaper

796
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:13,470
articles about the woman known as Cora

797
00:36:20,330 --> 00:36:16,680
Stanton and I very quickly discovered

798
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:20,340
that there were six other people who

799
00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:24,090
died under very curious circumstances

800
00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:27,870
you know within days or weeks of course

801
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:31,830
Stanton one of them a few months but you

802
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:33,570
know suddenly it was just kind of boom

803
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:36,420
right there in my lap that there is

804
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:38,310
there was something funny going on here

805
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:41,640
Walter Bosley joining Jean and Kris more

806
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:51,350
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807
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808
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809
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,280
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810
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:07,260
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811
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:09,900
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812
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:12,990
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813
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:15,810
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815
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on the para castes were going back into

909
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time the 1915 grisly murders what

910
00:41:31,259 --> 00:41:28,479
attracted Walter Bosley and his

911
00:41:34,019 --> 00:41:31,269
co-author to look at this just funny I

912
00:41:37,799 --> 00:41:34,029
was mentioning that TV series covert

913
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affairs about the young pretty CIA agent

914
00:41:42,779 --> 00:41:39,489
of course the name she uses on the air

915
00:41:45,329 --> 00:41:42,789
is Annie Walker and you were in touch

916
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:45,339
with someone named Ann Walker very

917
00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:47,650
steamy I've never watched covert affairs

918
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:50,979
it and Annie Walker huh that's right

919
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:53,140
well you know that's a whole other show

920
00:41:59,759 --> 00:41:56,529
the show about synchronicity I was

921
00:42:01,319 --> 00:41:59,769
thinking about that because you wonder

922
00:42:03,749 --> 00:42:01,329
if they just picked that name out of

923
00:42:05,309 --> 00:42:03,759
whole cloth or they had some reason for

924
00:42:08,549 --> 00:42:05,319
okay so you got pieced together

925
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,559
something that happened in 1915 you go

926
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:10,960
to the library you start putting it

927
00:42:15,299 --> 00:42:13,930
together what next well as I said I

928
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:15,309
noticed you know there's something funny

929
00:42:20,009 --> 00:42:17,890
going on here because along with this

930
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:20,019
mystery woman we have six other people

931
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,089
who died under very curious

932
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:24,660
circumstances within days or weeks of

933
00:42:32,849 --> 00:42:28,079
this woman you know before and after and

934
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,859
my research quickly went from a fun you

935
00:42:38,459 --> 00:42:35,200
know little hunt for ghost stories to

936
00:42:40,859 --> 00:42:38,469
something quite a bit more serious my

937
00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:40,869
initial gut impression was that there

938
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:43,960
was a serial killer operating in San

939
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:47,200
Bernardino in 1915 very intriguing you

940
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:51,579
know idea and so I set out to gather any

941
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:53,710
evidence I could that would you know

942
00:43:00,779 --> 00:42:56,950
tell me if my gut feeling was you know

943
00:43:05,339 --> 00:43:00,789
accurate or not and the more I looked at

944
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:05,349
it the more the stranger at God and yet

945
00:43:13,499 --> 00:43:10,150
part of the strange aspect of it was it

946
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:13,509
it really I came away and and others

947
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:16,660
that looked at it with me came away with

948
00:43:22,709 --> 00:43:19,839
the idea that the police were not

949
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:22,719
sharing everything they knew with the

950
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newspaper men as they should and that

951
00:43:29,999 --> 00:43:28,450
was correct they shouldn't have because

952
00:43:30,779 --> 00:43:30,009
the newspaper men were getting stuff

953
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:30,789
wrong

954
00:43:37,769 --> 00:43:35,410
right to begin with and that the

955
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community just kind of wanted this to go

956
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away afterward because you never find

957
00:43:46,499 --> 00:43:43,599
another mention of it again in the local

958
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newspapers or local history at all until

959
00:43:52,589 --> 00:43:50,769
my first book so it you know went almost

960
00:43:54,839 --> 00:43:52,599
a hundred years until it was publicly

961
00:44:00,179 --> 00:43:54,849
mentioned again but let lets say by

962
00:44:01,739 --> 00:44:00,189
January 1916 this issue was buried and I

963
00:44:03,959 --> 00:44:01,749
think Walter we should remind people

964
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:03,969
that a hundred years ago San Bernardino

965
00:44:08,339 --> 00:44:06,729
was not the the big thriving populated

966
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place that it is today I mean we're

967
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talking about a relatively small rural

968
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agricultural community if memory serves

969
00:44:18,029 --> 00:44:16,029
me correctly from reading your book I

970
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:18,039
mean the population back then was was

971
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:24,249
was tiny compared with about 12,000 okay

972
00:44:31,409 --> 00:44:27,249
12,000 people in today's world that's

973
00:44:33,179 --> 00:44:31,419
like a small town today there's there's

974
00:44:36,209 --> 00:44:33,189
there's hundreds of thousands of people

975
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:36,219
who live in the area so so a series of

976
00:44:44,099 --> 00:44:40,049
deaths the you know suspicious possibly

977
00:44:45,779 --> 00:44:44,109
at the very least unexplained in curious

978
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:45,789
deaths in a small town like that you

979
00:44:50,729 --> 00:44:47,049
would think that this would reverberate

980
00:44:52,739 --> 00:44:50,739
through the through the community uh and

981
00:44:55,339 --> 00:44:52,749
you're saying that this pretty much

982
00:44:57,779 --> 00:44:55,349
within a year I mean boom that was it

983
00:45:00,059 --> 00:44:57,789
well what's interesting is at the time

984
00:45:02,099 --> 00:45:00,069
you have to remember as you said yes San

985
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:02,109
Bernardino was small in today's terms

986
00:45:07,049 --> 00:45:05,049
however back then what I discovered

987
00:45:09,659 --> 00:45:07,059
right right now San Bernardino and what

988
00:45:10,429 --> 00:45:09,669
they call the 909 and and this part of

989
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,439
the Inland Empire

990
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:13,359
it's the butt of a lot of jokes because

991
00:45:17,219 --> 00:45:15,130
quite frankly I mean San Bernardino is

992
00:45:20,549 --> 00:45:17,229
just gone bankrupt San Bernardino has

993
00:45:24,779 --> 00:45:20,559
been quite frankly not not really a

994
00:45:27,209 --> 00:45:24,789
great place for too many years now back

995
00:45:29,399 --> 00:45:27,219
then and this surprised me because I

996
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have spent a good chunk of my life in

997
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this area you know coming and going I

998
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was surprised to find that San

999
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Bernardino back in 1915 was the garden

1000
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spot of Southern California tourists

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from all over the country and from all

1002
00:45:47,290 --> 00:45:44,540
over the world if they

1003
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came to Southern California they came to

1004
00:45:52,330 --> 00:45:49,610
San Bernardino's but in particularly to

1005
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:52,340
visit the park that was here it's called

1006
00:45:59,170 --> 00:45:55,310
OB de Springs Park they had a big lake

1007
00:46:02,650 --> 00:45:59,180
it had and rides carnival rides it had

1008
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:02,660
bandstand I mean it was the Disneyland

1009
00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:05,990
of the day and it and like I said I grew

1010
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:07,790
up and spent a lot of time here

1011
00:46:12,010 --> 00:46:09,530
throughout my life and I was totally

1012
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:12,020
surprised I had never really looked into

1013
00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:15,230
it but I'd never heard of this and it

1014
00:46:20,290 --> 00:46:17,180
was in the lake at her Vita Springs Park

1015
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:20,300
that the woman chorus then died and you

1016
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:22,730
know that this mystery is surrounded so

1017
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:25,670
San Bernardino even though by today's

1018
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:27,650
standards yes you know twelve thousand

1019
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:29,630
people you know isn't very big anything

1020
00:46:35,110 --> 00:46:32,330
then even then you know it was that

1021
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:35,120
wasn't very big however on the 4th of

1022
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,170
July picnic they used to draw a crowd

1023
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:40,640
bigger than the population of the city

1024
00:46:45,250 --> 00:46:42,770
now this is according to more than one

1025
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:45,260
report back then I mean you know so they

1026
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,630
would draw you know 15 to 20 thousand

1027
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:50,000
people or more to their park for their

1028
00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:52,670
4th of July celebration so it really was

1029
00:46:57,930 --> 00:46:55,100
this this wonderful place but you know

1030
00:47:03,400 --> 00:46:57,940
over the years just kind of faded away

1031
00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:03,410
and it lends to the whole mystique you

1032
00:47:09,070 --> 00:47:06,500
know of what what I've researched now

1033
00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:09,080
when you're looking over mysterious

1034
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:12,380
deaths I think a simple question here

1035
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,140
before we go on was anybody caught did

1036
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:18,560
they ever find a perpetrator no no and

1037
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:21,380
here's the thing it did not go reported

1038
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:25,040
as a serial murder of course and and

1039
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:27,290
back then you know America had already

1040
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:30,530
had h8 homes in the 1890s and you know

1041
00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:32,450
England of course had Jack the Ripper

1042
00:47:38,770 --> 00:47:35,270
before that so the concept of a serial

1043
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:38,780
killer was not completely unknown maybe

1044
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:41,330
not under that term you know they would

1045
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:42,530
have called him a mass murderer or

1046
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:44,690
something but what was very suspicious

1047
00:47:53,590 --> 00:47:48,640
to me was that you had seven people

1048
00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:53,600
three of them alleged suicide but there

1049
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:56,420
were strange circumstances around their

1050
00:48:01,210 --> 00:47:58,370
alleged suicide

1051
00:48:03,310 --> 00:48:01,220
one of them was just supposedly just a

1052
00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:03,320
mere boating accident but the other

1053
00:48:07,390 --> 00:48:05,150
three were miners there were two small

1054
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:07,400
children and a teenager and they were

1055
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:08,450
poisoned

1056
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:11,330
and what was what was astonishing to me

1057
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,490
was that when you look at these

1058
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:15,680
newspaper reports that you know the

1059
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:18,170
parents of the the kids were cleared you

1060
00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:20,330
know that they had nothing to do with it

1061
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:22,430
the two small children it was reported

1062
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:24,230
that they had very likely been given

1063
00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:27,200
poison candy but the report never goes

1064
00:48:31,810 --> 00:48:29,150
into who gave it to them

1065
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,820
it doesn't even mention gosh you know we

1066
00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:34,160
have some names running around who you

1067
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:35,900
know given these children poison candy

1068
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,970
it just says that they briefly

1069
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:39,440
considered you know that the kids that

1070
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,420
even match heads but it was you know

1071
00:48:47,590 --> 00:48:44,720
later reported if they have been given

1072
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:47,600
poison candy and the teenage girl that

1073
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:52,930
she had eaten a poisoned orange and

1074
00:48:58,690 --> 00:48:55,900
nobody knew where she got it from but

1075
00:49:01,900 --> 00:48:58,700
here's the other interesting thing back

1076
00:49:03,340 --> 00:49:01,910
then forensics regarding toxins was a

1077
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:03,350
little bit more advanced than you might

1078
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:06,290
think and poisoning was one of the most

1079
00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:10,130
popular methods to murder people there

1080
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:12,860
were a lot of murder cases that involved

1081
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:15,230
poisoning the toxins that killed these

1082
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:18,590
children were never identified I thought

1083
00:49:26,110 --> 00:49:23,180
that was very interesting and but but

1084
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:26,120
with all this going on you you don't

1085
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:29,000
have any mention of possibly you know

1086
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:30,710
there's a killer out there now there was

1087
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:33,740
one guy who was arrested on a train and

1088
00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:37,190
he was kind of ended up being a loose

1089
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:39,800
thread in the first book and when I

1090
00:49:44,620 --> 00:49:42,590
pulled that thread he became much more

1091
00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:44,630
important in the second book it was a

1092
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:46,550
young guy in his early 20s arrested on a

1093
00:49:52,570 --> 00:49:50,210
train just less than two weeks around

1094
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,580
ten days after the death of the woman

1095
00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:55,040
Cora Stanton and he's found with a

1096
00:50:00,100 --> 00:49:58,220
woman's purse he is hallucinating he's

1097
00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:00,110
basically having a nervous breakdown and

1098
00:50:05,470 --> 00:50:02,060
he's claiming that he sees the face of a

1099
00:50:08,590 --> 00:50:05,480
woman who others are accusing him of

1100
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:08,600
assaulting now he's taken off the train

1101
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:11,190
and he's come

1102
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:13,560
into the local hospital I believe county

1103
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,050
hospital was the the hospital because

1104
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,200
that was the the logical choice and the

1105
00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:21,599
available details I was able to confirm

1106
00:50:25,819 --> 00:50:23,550
that he didn't go to patent state

1107
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:25,829
hospital but the interesting thing was

1108
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,859
is here we have this mysterious death of

1109
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:31,440
this woman and all these curious deaths

1110
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:33,810
going on and here we have a guy arrested

1111
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:35,460
on a train in possession of a woman's

1112
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:40,680
purse and he's converted into the

1113
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:42,420
hospital he's freaking out he would

1114
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:43,980
think oh well here was our guy you know

1115
00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:45,810
he was on a train trying to get out of

1116
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:48,990
town well the police and the hospital

1117
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:51,180
release him into the custody of these

1118
00:50:57,620 --> 00:50:55,920
unidentified well is from Sonora and off

1119
00:50:58,420 --> 00:50:57,630
he goes and there's never a mention of

1120
00:51:00,859 --> 00:50:58,430
him again

1121
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:00,869
obviously they didn't have a very good

1122
00:51:04,819 --> 00:51:03,150
vetting process or maybe they were so

1123
00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:04,829
overcrowded they just wanted to get rid

1124
00:51:08,859 --> 00:51:06,359
of the guy there's so many more

1125
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,869
questions to ask about that and also

1126
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:11,520
whether and this is something you see

1127
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,190
them shows like Criminal Minds anything

1128
00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:16,800
has ever happened in that community say

1129
00:51:21,859 --> 00:51:18,750
ten twenty thirty years later that may

1130
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,869
have seemed superficially unrelated you

1131
00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:24,720
know further investigations maybe it'll

1132
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:26,190
start in my third and fourth book

1133
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:28,170
although he's get third one is under

1134
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,599
construction now Walter Bosley has

1135
00:51:37,890 --> 00:51:32,640
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1158
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1159
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1160
00:52:33,579 --> 00:52:31,969
stating a central bank issuing the

1161
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1162
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1163
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1164
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1165
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1166
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1196
00:54:14,780 --> 00:54:12,700
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1197
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:14,790
Chris and the para cast exploring these

1198
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:17,920
horrible apparent murders going back to

1199
00:54:23,820 --> 00:54:21,400
1915 in San Bernardino California

1200
00:54:27,450 --> 00:54:23,830
very different place than it is today

1201
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:27,460
okay Walter Bosley one thing of course

1202
00:54:32,609 --> 00:54:29,650
we see on those TV shows is you always

1203
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,619
look for a signature of a serial killer

1204
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:34,240
for some reason they have to do things

1205
00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:36,550
in the same way but the first killing

1206
00:54:43,830 --> 00:54:39,540
was different from the remaining six yet

1207
00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:43,840
yes indeed in the first book this is

1208
00:54:47,849 --> 00:54:45,880
where the first book that discovers an

1209
00:54:51,390 --> 00:54:47,859
interesting little association to the

1210
00:54:54,090 --> 00:54:51,400
Zodiac killer which surprised me I did

1211
00:54:58,260 --> 00:54:54,100
not expect that at all that's how you

1212
00:55:00,900 --> 00:54:58,270
know how so well I was looking at this

1213
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:00,910
and for the very thing we mentioned you

1214
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:02,410
know what what is the connection here

1215
00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:04,450
what is the one thing that all these

1216
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:07,600
deaths have in common and what I found

1217
00:55:13,230 --> 00:55:11,380
going back to the original thing that

1218
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:13,240
led me to the core Stanton story to

1219
00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:15,780
begin with was that all the deaths

1220
00:55:26,099 --> 00:55:20,560
occurred in physical proximity to the

1221
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:26,109
energy grid now yes the energy grid is

1222
00:55:33,060 --> 00:55:30,130
theoretical yes the map that I had in my

1223
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:33,070
possession for almost a year before i

1224
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:35,460
discovered this mystery first for other

1225
00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:39,940
research purposes this is done by you

1226
00:55:46,349 --> 00:55:43,300
know someone whose theory is that you

1227
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:46,359
know his particular mapping of the grid

1228
00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:49,480
which which he uses geomorphology you

1229
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:51,670
know the actual curvature of the terrain

1230
00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:54,850
and the formation of the terrain yes all

1231
00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:57,700
of this of course is theoretical we know

1232
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:01,260
that but nonetheless

1233
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:04,750
there it was I had this map and I'd had

1234
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:06,730
this map for almost a year and when I

1235
00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:09,280
looked at it and I and I noticed that

1236
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:11,470
all these deaths could be plotted in

1237
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:13,690
associative physical proximity either

1238
00:56:22,830 --> 00:56:18,460
actually on or very very nearly right on

1239
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:22,840
the lines that kind of popped up you

1240
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,350
know on my radar that rose a flag and as

1241
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:28,480
the brook States and I want to be clear

1242
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:33,070
here you do not have to believe in the

1243
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:35,710
the actuality of this grid or these

1244
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:39,280
things to understand you don't have to

1245
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:40,810
believe in it yourself to understand

1246
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:43,210
that what what work and I say in the

1247
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:46,750
first book is that the perpetrators if

1248
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,850
these indeed are serial killings the

1249
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:51,520
perpetrator or perpetrators it looks

1250
00:56:59,730 --> 00:56:55,090
like they might have believed in this

1251
00:57:02,100 --> 00:56:59,740
stuff and that they he she or they might

1252
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:02,110
have committed these acts in conjunction

1253
00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:04,810
with the energy grids or whatever you

1254
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,720
know purposes that they believed would

1255
00:57:13,050 --> 00:57:10,240
result and that's really what the book

1256
00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:13,060
says that the book is not trying to

1257
00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:15,430
convince anybody that you know the

1258
00:57:20,850 --> 00:57:17,350
energy grid is real the book presents it

1259
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:20,860
as such as we you know as its presented

1260
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:23,020
I just want to make that distinction

1261
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:25,930
that what we're talking about when we

1262
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:28,480
link the energy grid to these murders is

1263
00:57:35,370 --> 00:57:31,810
that this is what we think was going on

1264
00:57:37,050 --> 00:57:35,380
in the mind of the possible killer okay

1265
00:57:39,570 --> 00:57:37,060
that raises another question which is

1266
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:39,580
what awareness did they have of this

1267
00:57:45,450 --> 00:57:43,440
energy grid back in 1915 well as I said

1268
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:45,460
telluric current is something that's

1269
00:57:52,290 --> 00:57:49,030
been well known to technicians since the

1270
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:52,300
mid 1800s the railroad engineers knew

1271
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:52,990
about it

1272
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:55,810
the telegrapher that you now remember

1273
00:57:59,700 --> 00:57:57,790
telegraphy develop an in hand with the

1274
00:58:02,220 --> 00:57:59,710
railroad because that's what you know

1275
00:58:04,620 --> 00:58:02,230
they would string the telegraphy lines

1276
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:04,630
along the rail lines it was what the

1277
00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:06,490
railroad used to communicate as they

1278
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:08,950
were out there you know constructing the

1279
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:12,490
railroads and this was you know the

1280
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:15,490
before telephones and before email and

1281
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:17,710
all that there was telegraphy sending a

1282
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:19,630
telegraph kind of what we do with our

1283
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:22,150
texting but on our cell phone which I

1284
00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:23,150
find kind

1285
00:58:27,550 --> 00:58:25,430
amusing that in the 21st century on our

1286
00:58:31,330 --> 00:58:27,560
telephones essentially we're using 19th

1287
00:58:33,070 --> 00:58:31,340
century means of communication but you

1288
00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:33,080
know this is something that has been

1289
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:35,900
around the u.s. maybe in the years right

1290
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:39,170
up to World War one they were coming up

1291
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:42,110
with what's called ground well where our

1292
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:44,330
ground radio systems and one of them

1293
00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:45,670
that they toyed around with was

1294
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:48,380
literally a ground radio system which

1295
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:50,390
kind of tapped into this energy going

1296
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:52,510
through the ground to to simply boost

1297
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,280
radio capabilities so this is something

1298
00:58:59,170 --> 00:58:57,680
that's very real and people back then

1299
00:59:01,180 --> 00:58:59,180
would have known about it you know

1300
00:59:03,850 --> 00:59:01,190
particularly anybody who worked on the

1301
00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:03,860
railroad now there's the thing was there

1302
00:59:09,070 --> 00:59:06,080
anybody who might have worked on the

1303
00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:09,080
railroad in San Bernardino in 1915 well

1304
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:11,990
by golly it just so happens that the

1305
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:16,130
largest railroad yard in the Western

1306
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:19,010
Southwest United States at that time was

1307
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:21,410
right here in San Bernardino there were

1308
00:59:27,820 --> 00:59:24,950
a lot of railroad employees a lot right

1309
00:59:30,910 --> 00:59:27,830
here so this was a major railroad hub

1310
00:59:33,610 --> 00:59:30,920
and that buzz factor as you know in the

1311
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:33,620
in the first book that factors plenty in

1312
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:38,000
this whole mystery yeah there was plenty

1313
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:41,210
of opportunity or there to be someone

1314
00:59:46,930 --> 00:59:44,630
you know some psychopath or whoever the

1315
00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:46,940
perpetrator was whatever they were to be

1316
00:59:53,830 --> 00:59:51,620
aware of this grid and to kind of apply

1317
00:59:56,170 --> 00:59:53,840
it and what they were doing they're

1318
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:56,180
using event as an excuse but is it

1319
01:00:00,670 --> 00:59:57,410
possible the grade or the

1320
01:00:03,610 --> 01:00:00,680
electromagnetic radiation impact certain

1321
01:00:05,890 --> 01:00:03,620
people who are unduly sensitive so they

1322
01:00:09,490 --> 01:00:05,900
do things that maybe they wouldn't be an

1323
01:00:12,310 --> 01:00:09,500
ordinarily I don't think so it's an

1324
01:00:14,350 --> 01:00:12,320
extremely low frequency I think what

1325
01:00:17,110 --> 01:00:14,360
we're talking about here is you know

1326
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:17,120
people who believe for instance what we

1327
01:00:23,860 --> 01:00:21,110
say is we proposed the theory that the

1328
01:00:28,060 --> 01:00:23,870
perpetrator or perpetrators or were

1329
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:28,070
killing people in association with their

1330
01:00:33,610 --> 01:00:30,110
perceived their their perception of this

1331
01:00:36,940 --> 01:00:33,620
grid in order to inject the grid with

1332
01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:36,950
energy which within their

1333
01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:39,980
would have given them you know some

1334
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:43,190
boost and a magical working or served

1335
01:00:49,930 --> 01:00:45,910
whatever their aims and goals were

1336
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,940
within their own mind or within their

1337
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:51,920
little group whatever they believed that

1338
01:00:55,930 --> 01:00:53,960
they were accomplishing so what are you

1339
01:00:58,660 --> 01:00:55,940
you're talking about sort of odd at the

1340
01:01:02,370 --> 01:00:58,670
time it would be like a high-tech form

1341
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:02,380
of ritual magic is what what I'm hearing

1342
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:05,680
exactly you mentioned an extremely low

1343
01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:09,290
frequency can you give us some cycles

1344
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:11,390
what are we talking about the what is

1345
01:01:17,319 --> 01:01:14,210
the earth mean tone is what seven cycles

1346
01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:17,329
so where does this fall in terms of how

1347
01:01:26,109 --> 01:01:21,190
many cycles per second my research was

1348
01:01:28,750 --> 01:01:26,119
focused on you know just the idea that

1349
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:28,760
this was very possibly done by the

1350
01:01:32,770 --> 01:01:30,770
perpetrators and why the perpetrators

1351
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:32,780
were doing it but essentially it it's an

1352
01:01:37,660 --> 01:01:35,750
Els extreme low frequency is about to

1353
01:01:40,420 --> 01:01:37,670
the extent I took that because that was

1354
01:01:43,450 --> 01:01:40,430
all I you know that was the extent

1355
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:43,460
necessary at the time that I needed to

1356
01:01:48,910 --> 01:01:46,970
know okay yeah be interesting to know

1357
01:01:52,329 --> 01:01:48,920
how many cycles per second we're talking

1358
01:01:54,490 --> 01:01:52,339
about because that that to me is

1359
01:01:56,290 --> 01:01:54,500
important as a musician I mean you know

1360
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:56,300
everything is frequency in terms of

1361
01:02:04,569 --> 01:01:58,130
playing notes and stuff and I just kind

1362
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:04,579
of like to get a sense of how which was

1363
01:02:09,550 --> 01:02:07,250
a magician sure that kind of detail you

1364
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:09,560
know would be important remember my

1365
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:12,280
focus wasn't so much on the details of

1366
01:02:17,890 --> 01:02:15,170
you know that kind of detail on the

1367
01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:17,900
ritual magic I was well know I'm talking

1368
01:02:21,730 --> 01:02:19,400
about the science behind this telluric

1369
01:02:23,609 --> 01:02:21,740
current is what I'm talking about what

1370
01:02:28,089 --> 01:02:23,619
is that particular current frequency

1371
01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:28,099
that that's my question I arrest yeah I

1372
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:29,510
don't have to know off the top of my

1373
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:32,030
head but it might you know provide some

1374
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:34,810
more interesting information to be sure

1375
01:02:38,980 --> 01:02:37,130
yeah because that you can you can then

1376
01:02:41,859 --> 01:02:38,990
look at things like the Taos hum and the

1377
01:02:43,420 --> 01:02:41,869
Kokomo home and and various you know

1378
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:43,430
extremely low frequencies that have been

1379
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:46,760
detected and and and bothered to

1380
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:49,849
actually bother people uh but sometimes

1381
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:50,810
if there's if there

1382
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:52,730
sensitive to it so you know just in your

1383
01:02:59,710 --> 01:02:57,920
travels or maybe ask sesh about that how

1384
01:03:02,350 --> 01:02:59,720
many cycles are we talking about with

1385
01:03:04,930 --> 01:03:02,360
this particular this grid I'd be very

1386
01:03:06,340 --> 01:03:04,940
interested to know absolutely right now

1387
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:06,350
that you bring it up I'm even more

1388
01:03:10,780 --> 01:03:08,810
curious about that aspect that's the

1389
01:03:12,610 --> 01:03:10,790
thing about this whole mystery is and

1390
01:03:14,530 --> 01:03:12,620
why I like talking to you know with with

1391
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:14,540
people about it you know

1392
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,690
folks like you and and and you know

1393
01:03:22,660 --> 01:03:20,000
seseri and others is there's always

1394
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:22,670
something you know some new angle on it

1395
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:24,770
that I hadn't thought of that they point

1396
01:03:29,170 --> 01:03:26,510
out you know from from their own

1397
01:03:31,330 --> 01:03:29,180
experience in their own expertise well I

1398
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:31,340
like that we sometimes start people

1399
01:03:34,930 --> 01:03:33,200
thinking maybe a little out of the box

1400
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:34,940
we're going to continue with more

1401
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discussions with Walter Bosley with Jean

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attack of the rock AIDS has been

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well-received by critics and readers

1404
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alike it's a thrill a minute story

1405
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you'll never forget a former US military

1406
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intelligence officer is haunted by

1407
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1408
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pleading for his help after a terrible

1409
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battle in outer space but the dreams

1410
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turn out to be true and thrust him into

1411
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a telepathic love affair with a woman

1412
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whose faraway planet is intent on

1413
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destroying the earth and now the

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threaten the lives of freedom loving

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there's Federal Reserve fiat currency

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could go the way of the deutsche mark

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and the Weimar Republic any time in

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these historically dangerous times it

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makes sense to physically hold gold and

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silver Midas already has some of the

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best deals in the industry but if you

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give them a call and mention the radio

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1469
01:06:54,650 --> 01:06:53,130
blocks of proteins amino acids have to

1470
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be delivered to your body in the shape

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01:06:58,190 --> 01:06:56,520
that nature gave them if they are to be

1472
01:07:00,620 --> 01:06:58,200
used to create new proteins in your body

1473
01:07:02,270 --> 01:07:00,630
just like a bricklayer cannot use bent

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or twisted bricks to build a brick wall

1475
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:04,680
so too your body cannot use bent or

1476
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twisted amino acids to build new

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01:07:10,460 --> 01:07:08,580
proteins giving your body and undamaged

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amino acid food can make a huge

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difference in your health one world way

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is an undamaged amino acid food unlike

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any other you see heating bends and

1482
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:19,740
twists amino acids and all whey protein

1483
01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:21,810
powders we've investigated and most

1484
01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:24,630
proteins you consume are heated with our

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with one world way my name is Daniel I'm

1487
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:31,710
34 years old when I started using in one

1488
01:07:37,820 --> 01:07:35,370
world way I weigh 228 pounds now after

1489
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:37,830
two and a half months I weigh 182 pounds

1490
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this is my ideal weight I've noticed an

1491
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increase in stamina

1492
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rate of recovery for water cows and an

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increase in my potency call eight eight

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five or visit one world wacom we'd like

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to hear from you if you have a comment

1497
01:07:59,090 --> 01:07:55,530
or question about the Perico

1498
01:08:02,840 --> 01:07:59,100
sent it to news at the para caste calm

1499
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that's news at the para caste calm and

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01:08:08,030 --> 01:08:04,860
don't forget to visit our famous para

1501
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caste community forums at forum dot the

1502
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para cast calm water Bosley

1503
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,220
joining us with Jean and Chris in the

1504
01:08:18,769 --> 01:08:16,799
para caste and he's written two books

1505
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:18,779
that cover this case one with Richard

1506
01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:22,049
Spence under the collective title Empire

1507
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:24,750
of the wheel the first espionage the

1508
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:26,490
occult and murder in Southern California

1509
01:08:32,210 --> 01:08:29,850
and the second one subtitled friends

1510
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:32,220
from Sonora I'm kind of interested in

1511
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:34,620
the way those titles worked out so let's

1512
01:08:42,710 --> 01:08:38,880
look at that aha all right via cult what

1513
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:42,720
a cult and or espionage aspects do you

1514
01:08:47,599 --> 01:08:45,359
uncover well in the first book

1515
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,609
it pretty much illustrates what was

1516
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:49,440
going on in Southern California at that

1517
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:52,140
time relative to World War one Europe

1518
01:08:58,820 --> 01:08:54,930
was embroiled in World War one yeah

1519
01:09:00,140 --> 01:08:58,830
United States was not overtly yeah had

1520
01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:00,150
not been you know officially brought

1521
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:03,000
into the war California I discovered as

1522
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:05,250
I got deeper in others California was

1523
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,299
neck deep in Oran agent activity German

1524
01:09:14,809 --> 01:09:11,759
and British agents were all over the

1525
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:14,819
states and also there was something

1526
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:18,810
called the hindu german alliance because

1527
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:21,359
India at that time was struggling for

1528
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:23,160
its independence from Britain the

1529
01:09:30,110 --> 01:09:27,150
Germans and the in India they had teamed

1530
01:09:31,670 --> 01:09:30,120
up naturally Germany was at war with

1531
01:09:32,150 --> 01:09:31,680
England and wanted England busy on two

1532
01:09:34,519 --> 01:09:32,160
fronts

1533
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:34,529
so what Germany was doing through

1534
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:38,640
California was supplying Indian agents

1535
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:41,790
with weapons that would be smuggled out

1536
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,210
of San Diego across the Pacific to what

1537
01:09:51,170 --> 01:09:47,520
was Burma and then into the hands of

1538
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:51,180
Indian insurgents in India this also

1539
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:54,510
kind of exploded into terrorism and

1540
01:09:59,330 --> 01:09:56,610
sabotage going on up and down the

1541
01:10:02,240 --> 01:09:59,340
California coast very interesting in

1542
01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:02,250
itself I mean that in itself would make

1543
01:10:06,260 --> 01:10:04,830
a fascinating book historically if

1544
01:10:09,380 --> 01:10:06,270
you're looking for the evidence of this

1545
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:09,390
look up the ante Larsson affair lar

1546
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:12,840
en the ante Larson was a was a boat that

1547
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:15,330
was caught with these German munitions

1548
01:10:19,820 --> 01:10:17,850
leaving San Diego headed for Burma and

1549
01:10:22,610 --> 01:10:19,830
that's how this all became uncovered

1550
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:22,620
well the book mine enriched the first

1551
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:25,320
book Empire the wheel one he shows the

1552
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:27,810
evidence that the guns that were being

1553
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,450
smuggled from the Gulf of Mexico into

1554
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:32,880
Texas and through the American Southwest

1555
01:10:39,170 --> 01:10:36,510
by rail had to have gone through the hub

1556
01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:39,180
in San Bernardino now if you're

1557
01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:41,880
smuggling weapons zero you're a military

1558
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:45,000
agent smuggling weapons to an ally via

1559
01:10:51,020 --> 01:10:48,360
you know railroad in this case and those

1560
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,030
munitions that smuggle contraband is

1561
01:10:55,730 --> 01:10:53,760
going to be switched from one train to

1562
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,740
another I guarantee you you're gonna add

1563
01:10:59,900 --> 01:10:58,080
agent there at the switch point to make

1564
01:11:03,500 --> 01:10:59,910
sure everything goes smoothly so between

1565
01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:03,510
that and the presence of German

1566
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:05,960
immigrants which in the business of

1567
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,850
intelligence operations and such you

1568
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:10,440
know you have to look at your immigrant

1569
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:12,690
communities for you know where the

1570
01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:14,610
agents would be buried history has

1571
01:11:19,190 --> 01:11:16,590
proven that when you're in this business

1572
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:19,200
you you learn that pretty quickly I are

1573
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:22,140
you Rick a breeze and the book presents

1574
01:11:26,180 --> 01:11:23,850
that they're very likely were these

1575
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,190
German agents that would have been there

1576
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:28,560
and would have been overseeing the the

1577
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:31,050
transfer right there if you've got

1578
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:32,970
German agents in the area then you're

1579
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:35,250
going to have British agents also and lo

1580
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:37,020
and behold just like there was a German

1581
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:38,970
immigrant community here there was a

1582
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:41,910
British expat so to speak community

1583
01:11:47,660 --> 01:11:44,850
right here in the Inland Empire and a

1584
01:11:50,330 --> 01:11:47,670
British expat was actually numbered

1585
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:50,340
among these seven victims the seven

1586
01:11:55,190 --> 01:11:52,590
curious death and the book goes into all

1587
01:11:57,170 --> 01:11:55,200
of this so all of those kind of thing

1588
01:12:00,200 --> 01:11:57,180
was going on you know during that era

1589
01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:00,210
leading up to the United States going

1590
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:02,460
into the war so there was the

1591
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:06,530
possibility that perhaps maybe some

1592
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:09,420
espionage skullduggery was involved in

1593
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:12,450
this however the problem there is it

1594
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:14,370
does not explain the depth of the

1595
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:17,340
children Walker the parents do the

1596
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:20,310
parents have any connection to one

1597
01:12:22,559 --> 01:12:22,110
another do they know each other they

1598
01:12:27,589 --> 01:12:22,569
have

1599
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:27,599
might relate to anything the railroad

1600
01:12:33,059 --> 01:12:30,729
possible not police acted evidence none

1601
01:12:35,129 --> 01:12:33,069
that we could ever find that and and and

1602
01:12:37,799 --> 01:12:35,139
I look for that I specifically looked

1603
01:12:39,419 --> 01:12:37,809
for did these kids know each other know

1604
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,429
the fourteen-year-old girl was from

1605
01:12:42,959 --> 01:12:41,679
Redlands but two small children two

1606
01:12:44,459 --> 01:12:42,969
years old the four years old brother and

1607
01:12:46,799 --> 01:12:44,469
sister they were from over here what we

1608
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:46,809
call East Highland and you know back

1609
01:12:51,929 --> 01:12:50,530
then even less so would small Highland

1610
01:12:53,549 --> 01:12:51,939
children be acquainted with a

1611
01:12:55,469 --> 01:12:53,559
fourteen-year-old in Redlands unless the

1612
01:12:57,289 --> 01:12:55,479
families knew each other and again I was

1613
01:13:00,270 --> 01:12:57,299
never able to find a connection there

1614
01:13:02,669 --> 01:13:00,280
with what's available that makes it

1615
01:13:05,579 --> 01:13:02,679
difficult I suppose if this involves

1616
01:13:07,739 --> 01:13:05,589
some crazy spy who did a little serial

1617
01:13:10,829 --> 01:13:07,749
killing on the side well maybe he or she

1618
01:13:12,509 --> 01:13:10,839
left the country long before anything

1619
01:13:13,919 --> 01:13:12,519
was ever resolved so that makes it even

1620
01:13:16,919 --> 01:13:13,929
more difficult to figure it out

1621
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:16,929
absolutely I mean you know if one of the

1622
01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:18,760
agencies had employed that psychopath

1623
01:13:24,839 --> 01:13:21,249
and there he was operating you know

1624
01:13:26,489 --> 01:13:24,849
doing his contracted killings and you're

1625
01:13:27,869 --> 01:13:26,499
right he had the extracurricular

1626
01:13:29,969 --> 01:13:27,879
activities and said that is a

1627
01:13:32,339 --> 01:13:29,979
possibility that you know we bring up

1628
01:13:34,409 --> 01:13:32,349
you know by no means do we say you know

1629
01:13:37,799 --> 01:13:34,419
we've nailed it we've we've identified

1630
01:13:40,259 --> 01:13:37,809
the perpetrator we do present our theory

1631
01:13:42,569 --> 01:13:40,269
as to who it you know it could have been

1632
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:42,579
in a general sense but you know no

1633
01:13:48,599 --> 01:13:45,689
specific identity were we ever able to

1634
01:13:50,729 --> 01:13:48,609
really point to and that was not really

1635
01:13:52,639 --> 01:13:50,739
you know entirely the point of the book

1636
01:13:56,009 --> 01:13:52,649
I mean there's really quite enough there

1637
01:13:58,049 --> 01:13:56,019
just the first book introduces the idea

1638
01:14:00,029 --> 01:13:58,059
that hey look at this there's something

1639
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:00,039
funny going on here and here's what

1640
01:14:06,750 --> 01:14:03,249
makes it strange but absolutely it's

1641
01:14:09,869 --> 01:14:06,760
it's somebody who came and went you know

1642
01:14:13,799 --> 01:14:09,879
all we're left with you know being able

1643
01:14:16,859 --> 01:14:13,809
to speculate in as an educated manner as

1644
01:14:18,689 --> 01:14:16,869
possible what do the police records show

1645
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:18,699
here there must be something that

1646
01:14:23,209 --> 01:14:20,409
indicates when they just gave up the

1647
01:14:26,489 --> 01:14:23,219
investigation well that's interesting

1648
01:14:29,729 --> 01:14:26,499
the police department I was told when I

1649
01:14:31,559 --> 01:14:29,739
made my query there and requested the

1650
01:14:33,509 --> 01:14:31,569
opportunity to look at the records I was

1651
01:14:36,150 --> 01:14:33,519
told that those records have been put in

1652
01:14:38,670 --> 01:14:36,160
a set off-site storage location and do

1653
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:38,680
to a fire they were destroyed they no

1654
01:14:43,890 --> 01:14:42,070
longer exist ain't that convenient yes

1655
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:43,900
because I would have liked to have got

1656
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,960
my hands on the alleged suicide note of

1657
01:14:51,210 --> 01:14:49,120
the woman Cora Stanton because you know

1658
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:51,220
as you know you know a copy of it I

1659
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,770
could have you know had forensic ly

1660
01:14:58,050 --> 01:14:55,360
analyzed and they could tell you things

1661
01:15:00,780 --> 01:14:58,060
like it you know did a woman or a man

1662
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:00,790
write this letter and that would have

1663
01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:03,010
been very interesting and very telling

1664
01:15:08,700 --> 01:15:06,220
to have a copy of that and because she

1665
01:15:11,670 --> 01:15:08,710
died a complete stranger and there was

1666
01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:11,680
no next of kin who ever claimed her her

1667
01:15:16,740 --> 01:15:13,990
suicide note the public has a right to

1668
01:15:19,740 --> 01:15:16,750
see that that's how it works if there's

1669
01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:19,750
family or someone who can claim the

1670
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:22,150
individual the public does not have any

1671
01:15:26,730 --> 01:15:24,730
access or right to access to the suicide

1672
01:15:30,060 --> 01:15:26,740
note like they're an orphan or a

1673
01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:30,070
stranger and unknown the public can get

1674
01:15:34,410 --> 01:15:32,350
access to that so if it would have been

1675
01:15:36,420 --> 01:15:34,420
interesting absolutely and certainly

1676
01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:36,430
with the deaths of children you think

1677
01:15:40,850 --> 01:15:38,470
that parents and other relatives and

1678
01:15:43,410 --> 01:15:40,860
friends would be spending a lot of time

1679
01:15:45,810 --> 01:15:43,420
seeking a way to try to solve these

1680
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:45,820
cases especially if you have six of them

1681
01:15:52,170 --> 01:15:48,250
that may or may not be related gets to

1682
01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:52,180
be everything in the book you know

1683
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:53,980
presents this here's what's interesting

1684
01:15:58,260 --> 01:15:56,110
you had three children who were clearly

1685
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,270
poisoned even the newspaper accounts say

1686
01:16:02,010 --> 01:15:59,920
they were poisoned and there was you

1687
01:16:03,450 --> 01:16:02,020
know no perpetrator ever identified in

1688
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:03,460
the poem that toxin wasn't identified

1689
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:06,330
however the whole city was more

1690
01:16:12,930 --> 01:16:09,310
fascinated with the woman known as

1691
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:12,940
chorus Pantin and and she got all the

1692
01:16:17,690 --> 01:16:14,890
publicity she got all the interest all

1693
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:17,700
the concern and these three children who

1694
01:16:25,170 --> 01:16:21,670
Rick and I are 95% certain that they

1695
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:25,180
were murdered they you know we hardly

1696
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paid attention to them Walter Bosley

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1778
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1779
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1780
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high blood pressure high blood sugar and

1781
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poor vision and I really wasn't sleeping

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1787
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better my blood pressure

1788
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normalized my blood sugar normalized and

1789
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my sleep really did improve experience

1790
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1797
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this is the wrong flyer class order of

1798
01:21:09,780 --> 01:20:57,880
the UFO encyclopedia other books when

1799
01:21:14,380 --> 01:21:12,610
Gina and Chris we have Welker Bosley

1800
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:14,390
whose former Air Force

1801
01:21:19,300 --> 01:21:16,610
counterintelligence agent former member

1802
01:21:21,820 --> 01:21:19,310
of the FBI a private investigator trying

1803
01:21:27,220 --> 01:21:21,830
to unearth these strange murders

1804
01:21:28,930 --> 01:21:27,230
apparent murders back in 1915 now as we

1805
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:28,940
continue with us trying to understand

1806
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,010
what happened and trying to find a

1807
01:21:35,470 --> 01:21:33,440
connection now obviously we don't have

1808
01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:35,480
the police records unless something

1809
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:38,750
turned up in somebody's home you know

1810
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:40,370
you always think you know the classic

1811
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:42,320
story on law and order or something

1812
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:45,250
where one of the police detectives is

1813
01:21:50,110 --> 01:21:47,570
frustrated over the progress or lack of

1814
01:21:52,630 --> 01:21:50,120
progress in the case he takes the case

1815
01:21:54,460 --> 01:21:52,640
files home he does his own crime an

1816
01:21:56,260 --> 01:21:54,470
investigation of it to find out what

1817
01:21:58,630 --> 01:21:56,270
happened but there was nothing like that

1818
01:22:00,670 --> 01:21:58,640
ever nothing that I ever found as a

1819
01:22:03,670 --> 01:22:00,680
matter of fact you know the police

1820
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:03,680
department was you know pretty firm that

1821
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:05,840
you know no these records don't exist

1822
01:22:09,370 --> 01:22:07,850
sorry they're destroyed you know when I

1823
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:09,380
went to the coroner's office you'll find

1824
01:22:13,870 --> 01:22:11,510
this interesting when I first went there

1825
01:22:16,570 --> 01:22:13,880
to get just one of the records of the

1826
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:16,580
seven victims do you know what little

1827
01:22:22,900 --> 01:22:19,490
there was I went in the coroner's office

1828
01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:22,910
the lady who they brought out to handle

1829
01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:25,400
my request she was very friendly very

1830
01:22:31,870 --> 01:22:28,550
nice I mean just just a real nice bubbly

1831
01:22:33,970 --> 01:22:31,880
personality very talkative and about a

1832
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:33,980
week or so later when my record was

1833
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:36,050
ready they called me I said I could pick

1834
01:22:41,740 --> 01:22:38,000
it up when I went back to pick it up the

1835
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,750
same woman was called out and it was

1836
01:22:46,570 --> 01:22:44,000
reserved it was as if she was a

1837
01:22:49,060 --> 01:22:46,580
different person she was very cold she

1838
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:49,070
was just I mean but when she was looking

1839
01:22:54,130 --> 01:22:51,890
at me with daggers in her eyes just one

1840
01:22:55,690 --> 01:22:54,140
word abrupt answers you know I tried to

1841
01:22:58,810 --> 01:22:55,700
make small talk whether she had been so

1842
01:23:00,640 --> 01:22:58,820
friendly before and you know I tried to

1843
01:23:02,020 --> 01:23:00,650
you know make chitchat hey good morning

1844
01:23:03,790 --> 01:23:02,030
how you doing that kind of thing and she

1845
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:03,800
would have none of it and she was just

1846
01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:05,870
very cold she goes here's your report

1847
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,590
and handed me the envelope she stood

1848
01:23:14,110 --> 01:23:11,840
there glaring at me as I thanked her and

1849
01:23:16,430 --> 01:23:14,120
left it went out to my car and left and

1850
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:16,440
I thought wow that's very

1851
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,420
what happened between the time I made

1852
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:21,120
the request for this 90 something year

1853
01:23:27,950 --> 01:23:25,440
old record and this reaction you know

1854
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:27,960
you have to wonder yeah whether or maybe

1855
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:33,360
she's in a bad mood you know

1856
01:23:38,150 --> 01:23:36,330
who knows that you still have to kind of

1857
01:23:40,130 --> 01:23:38,160
note in wondering moon was there

1858
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:40,140
something about that particular and in

1859
01:23:45,890 --> 01:23:42,930
that particular record the newspaper

1860
01:23:48,650 --> 01:23:45,900
account have this particular victim's

1861
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:48,660
body found in three different places

1862
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:51,570
that are away from each other that it

1863
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:54,330
makes you wonder you know okay what

1864
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:56,280
exactly what the heck was going on here

1865
01:24:00,979 --> 01:23:59,580
so yeah you know now that that that I

1866
01:24:02,660 --> 01:24:00,989
just told you about the coroner's office

1867
01:24:04,130 --> 01:24:02,670
I didn't put that in the book there's

1868
01:24:06,020 --> 01:24:04,140
nothing in the book about personal

1869
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:06,030
experiences it's not a book about me

1870
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:08,250
this is not a book about Rick this is a

1871
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,770
book about the situation but you know

1872
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:12,960
that that was something that happened in

1873
01:24:18,290 --> 01:24:15,570
the investigation that I thought was a

1874
01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:18,300
very curious thing well this whole thing

1875
01:24:24,530 --> 01:24:20,940
is very curious but I'm still trying to

1876
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:24,540
understand what possible a cult aspect

1877
01:24:32,209 --> 01:24:28,860
might be fine here well the book points

1878
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:32,219
out the fact that San Bernardino at the

1879
01:24:37,700 --> 01:24:35,520
time was very active in the Spiritualist

1880
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:37,710
community now the spiritual was the bag

1881
01:24:43,820 --> 01:24:40,080
van with a capital S you know they were

1882
01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:43,830
the the New Age enthusiasts of their day

1883
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,440
these were the people you know where you

1884
01:24:52,959 --> 01:24:48,719
would find in their circles you know

1885
01:24:56,150 --> 01:24:52,969
your your accounts enthusiasts and

1886
01:24:59,600 --> 01:24:56,160
actually the very first spiritualist

1887
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,610
temple established in the state of

1888
01:25:03,260 --> 01:25:01,920
California was the temple right here in

1889
01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:03,270
San Bernardino it had been established

1890
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:06,360
established in the late 1800s by one of

1891
01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:10,770
the original Mormon pioneers a guy who

1892
01:25:17,229 --> 01:25:13,860
was actually just attached to the

1893
01:25:21,380 --> 01:25:17,239
Mormons to guide them west he will he

1894
01:25:23,890 --> 01:25:21,390
was kind of a not really a fully

1895
01:25:26,570 --> 01:25:23,900
committed warm and you might say but

1896
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:26,580
several of the original San Bernardino

1897
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:28,290
pioneers that came out with the Mormons

1898
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:30,630
to establish the

1899
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:33,570
City don't broke away from their

1900
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:36,050
association with the church and they

1901
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:39,920
founded this spiritualist temple and

1902
01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:44,850
though were reported to have been quite

1903
01:25:50,060 --> 01:25:46,860
an interesting little group they would

1904
01:25:54,650 --> 01:25:50,070
go into the canyon and conduct what we

1905
01:25:57,580 --> 01:25:54,660
would call rituals they it was reported

1906
01:26:02,240 --> 01:25:57,590
that they would go out there and try to

1907
01:26:06,770 --> 01:26:02,250
contact disembodied spirits and entities

1908
01:26:12,740 --> 01:26:06,780
and and such things that's spooky going

1909
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:12,750
one at home they were quite present and

1910
01:26:17,630 --> 01:26:15,090
active in 1915 in fact several members

1911
01:26:22,010 --> 01:26:17,640
of society were involved in this this

1912
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:22,020
spiritualist temple back then and so you

1913
01:26:26,690 --> 01:26:24,960
know we took a closer look at them and

1914
01:26:30,500 --> 01:26:26,700
we looked at spiritualist circles

1915
01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:30,510
in general across the u.s. and we found

1916
01:26:37,070 --> 01:26:33,300
some very interesting things some dark

1917
01:26:39,740 --> 01:26:37,080
things if you recall in the 1920s Harry

1918
01:26:42,290 --> 01:26:39,750
Houdini very famously went after the

1919
01:26:43,850 --> 01:26:42,300
spiritualist and without going into that

1920
01:26:46,100 --> 01:26:43,860
you know because that's a thing that

1921
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:46,110
people can read about and whatever you

1922
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:47,520
think of that is you know your own

1923
01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:51,450
opinion you know either side but he was

1924
01:26:57,700 --> 01:26:55,080
the flag and to go back to that

1925
01:27:00,290 --> 01:26:57,710
basically some people myself included

1926
01:27:03,140 --> 01:27:00,300
suspect that spiritualist were involved

1927
01:27:04,580 --> 01:27:03,150
in the death of Harry Houdini there's a

1928
01:27:06,230 --> 01:27:04,590
whole bunch of I like to use the word

1929
01:27:08,420 --> 01:27:06,240
skullduggery there's a whole bunch of

1930
01:27:12,110 --> 01:27:08,430
mystery and skullduggery surrounding

1931
01:27:15,260 --> 01:27:12,120
Houdini's death and Houdini

1932
01:27:17,540 --> 01:27:15,270
if those familiar with his fight against

1933
01:27:19,190 --> 01:27:17,550
the spiritualist your call was working

1934
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,200
very closely with a man named Walter

1935
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:21,840
Franklin Prince who was the head of the

1936
01:27:28,370 --> 01:27:25,130
American psychical Research Society and

1937
01:27:33,740 --> 01:27:28,380
what was interesting what Flagg totally

1938
01:27:37,130 --> 01:27:33,750
popped up in my case is that in 1915 the

1939
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:37,140
lever and dr. Walter Franklin Prince was

1940
01:27:42,620 --> 01:27:39,210
the rector at st. John's Episcopal

1941
01:27:44,370 --> 01:27:42,630
Church in San Bernardino and Walter

1942
01:27:46,169 --> 01:27:44,380
Prince the very same man who

1943
01:27:48,540 --> 01:27:46,179
Deenie went up against the Spiritualist

1944
01:27:51,300 --> 01:27:48,550
in the following decade walter prince

1945
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:51,310
was the one who gave poor stanton and

1946
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:54,159
alleged suicide a very public funeral

1947
01:28:01,500 --> 01:27:57,130
and last rites and all that which in

1948
01:28:05,310 --> 01:28:01,510
those days was a huge no-no to do or a

1949
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:05,320
suicide and that is where things really

1950
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:08,530
began to get even more interesting on

1951
01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:10,570
the occult angle because if you really

1952
01:28:15,209 --> 01:28:12,280
dig into walter franklin prints you'll

1953
01:28:18,930 --> 01:28:15,219
find that he was an expert on psychic

1954
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:18,940
phenomenon manifestations and things

1955
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:22,000
that are very often you know connected

1956
01:28:30,270 --> 01:28:26,800
to you know occult practices and and

1957
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:30,280
such so you had the spiritual and you

1958
01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:32,710
had Walter Franklin Prince and you had

1959
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:34,870
Harry Houdini himself performing in Los

1960
01:28:42,209 --> 01:28:37,090
Angeles during the month that all this

1961
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:42,219
mystery was going on it begins to it

1962
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:44,530
begins to get a lot more interesting

1963
01:28:51,419 --> 01:28:48,880
there and to top it all off I was able

1964
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,429
to show that Aleister Crowley I was just

1965
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:53,440
gonna mention you know you're talking

1966
01:28:58,919 --> 01:28:56,770
expats and British agents and and the

1967
01:29:00,450 --> 01:28:58,929
occult and stuff and and I remember a

1968
01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:00,460
conversation with you several years ago

1969
01:29:02,729 --> 01:29:02,260
in your research in the book about Bell

1970
01:29:04,770 --> 01:29:02,739
Crowley

1971
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:04,780
yeah I called you I can remember that

1972
01:29:08,220 --> 01:29:06,159
conversation I was walking around

1973
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:08,230
downtown Redlands that very day I called

1974
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:09,730
you I can remember that moment

1975
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,250
asking you about Crowley I was able to

1976
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:14,400
determine that Aleister Crowley himself

1977
01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:16,690
it was a known fact that he was in

1978
01:29:20,459 --> 01:29:18,190
Southern California during the time of

1979
01:29:22,620 --> 01:29:20,469
this mystery I was able to show that he

1980
01:29:25,649 --> 01:29:22,630
had to have passed the room San

1981
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,659
Bernardino just days before our mystery

1982
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:28,080
woman for Stanton was found dead and

1983
01:29:34,890 --> 01:29:32,290
birdboy spiritualist Walter Prince Harry

1984
01:29:38,700 --> 01:29:34,900
Houdini and then Aleister Crowley on the

1985
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:38,710
same stage went down a possible occult

1986
01:29:43,770 --> 01:29:41,050
road right there you know it's

1987
01:29:45,689 --> 01:29:43,780
interesting here to also consider and

1988
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:45,699
this is going to be more research than

1989
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:48,550
anybody would ever want and that is if

1990
01:29:53,129 --> 01:29:51,280
something weird happen if there was any

1991
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:53,139
connection with all these events it

1992
01:29:57,569 --> 01:29:56,050
wasn't just coincidence would it have

1993
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:57,579
been repeated in other

1994
01:30:03,569 --> 01:30:00,159
part of the country where some of these

1995
01:30:05,129 --> 01:30:03,579
people were present at the time yeah if

1996
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:05,139
you're looking for connections I guess

1997
01:30:08,969 --> 01:30:07,209
that's the kind of thing to consider is

1998
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:08,979
that a possibility or is that just

1999
01:30:14,129 --> 01:30:11,760
complete foolishness and I'll grant it

2000
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:14,139
you might have that answer in our next

2001
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:15,489
segment which is why we're going to make

2002
01:30:18,449 --> 01:30:16,570
cliffhangers out of it

2003
01:30:20,579 --> 01:30:18,459
but it could be foolishness or it could

2004
01:30:23,579 --> 01:30:20,589
be something significant I mean if they

2005
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:23,589
all gathered in San Bernardino where

2006
01:30:28,739 --> 01:30:26,320
else did they gather no connection

2007
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2112
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:07,860
with gene and Chris in the para cast

2113
01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:10,710
Walter Bosley talking about the strange

2114
01:35:15,930 --> 01:35:13,630
circumstances possibly behind seven

2115
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:15,940
burgers in San Bernardino County in

2116
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:19,330
California in 1915 and he talked about

2117
01:35:23,970 --> 01:35:21,130
the confluence of events here where

2118
01:35:25,950 --> 01:35:23,980
Alastair Crowley and Harry Houdini and

2119
01:35:28,170 --> 01:35:25,960
other people were in and around that

2120
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:28,180
area around the same time so the

2121
01:35:34,620 --> 01:35:30,850
question here is Walter were they ever

2122
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:34,630
in other areas at the same time and is

2123
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:36,880
it worth looking for murders there to I

2124
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:39,010
think absolutely it's worth looking

2125
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:42,910
anyone who you know it is is interested

2126
01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:45,310
in what Rick and I wrote about in the

2127
01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:48,580
first book especially you know if if you

2128
01:35:54,300 --> 01:35:50,590
would be looking for it in your area or

2129
01:35:59,670 --> 01:35:54,310
other areas you know the thing to do is

2130
01:36:01,080 --> 01:35:59,680
to find out where a geomorphologist or

2131
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someone who's an expert in telluric

2132
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current or even somebody who's seriously

2133
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:05,440
into identifying you know earthgrid

2134
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energies someone who can you know trust

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as reasonably as you can you know to

2136
01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:12,970
identify this for you and then start

2137
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:15,989
looking for unsolved murders

2138
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:19,210
particularly missing persons you know

2139
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:23,650
and if you're able to start linking

2140
01:36:29,790 --> 01:36:27,250
these unsolved murder victims it's for

2141
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:29,800
the grid you know that's a start that's

2142
01:36:34,170 --> 01:36:31,840
a lead you know does it

2143
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:34,180
so Sara we mean AHA this is going on

2144
01:36:39,540 --> 01:36:37,600
there no just with that alone you cannot

2145
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:39,550
conclude that I'm just saying that's a

2146
01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:42,880
start and what I'm saying is that I

2147
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:45,550
don't think what I've discovered would

2148
01:36:52,020 --> 01:36:48,610
necessarily be exclusive to San Marino

2149
01:36:54,180 --> 01:36:52,030
it just right and I present evidence of

2150
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:54,190
the possibility that this happened in

2151
01:37:00,090 --> 01:36:56,770
San Bernardino at this time at that

2152
01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:00,100
particular time 1915 but certainly and

2153
01:37:06,210 --> 01:37:03,400
we go on to point out that we think the

2154
01:37:08,670 --> 01:37:06,220
Zodiac killer was doing just that thing

2155
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:08,680
up in the Bay Area as well as in

2156
01:37:12,530 --> 01:37:09,850
Southern California

2157
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:12,540
okay so you bring up the Zodiac killer

2158
01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:15,370
do we find any connections at all

2159
01:37:21,630 --> 01:37:18,510
between the circumstances of those 1915

2160
01:37:25,860 --> 01:37:21,640
incidents and what the Zodiac killer is

2161
01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:25,870
reputed to have done well suspected very

2162
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:28,720
reasonably that the Zodiac killer at

2163
01:37:34,140 --> 01:37:31,810
some point in his life was a resident of

2164
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:34,150
the Inland Empire and and that's kind of

2165
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:35,890
a flag right there what that says to me

2166
01:37:41,850 --> 01:37:39,760
and and to Rick and I together it was

2167
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:41,860
that it's very possible that the Zodiac

2168
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:44,050
killer had somehow learned about the

2169
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:46,480
course Stanton thing and had maybe read

2170
01:37:51,630 --> 01:37:48,690
you know the very same reports and

2171
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:51,640
because I think it's been fairly well

2172
01:37:56,250 --> 01:37:53,410
established that he was some type of

2173
01:37:59,180 --> 01:37:56,260
student of the occult and such and and

2174
01:38:02,430 --> 01:37:59,190
we argue that if we're aware of this

2175
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:02,440
energy grid and if we learned about the

2176
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:04,930
core stanton thing certainly anyone else

2177
01:38:09,390 --> 01:38:06,970
could have as well and certainly why not

2178
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:09,400
the Zodiac killer what kind of gave me

2179
01:38:14,130 --> 01:38:11,920
goosebumps was again this map that I had

2180
01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:14,140
you know been in possession of for you

2181
01:38:21,150 --> 01:38:17,980
know like a year around a year when I

2182
01:38:24,510 --> 01:38:21,160
decided to look at the zodiac killings

2183
01:38:27,210 --> 01:38:24,520
because one of the killings which is

2184
01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:27,220
considered and credited to by most

2185
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:31,540
people to be as OD a killer victim

2186
01:38:37,290 --> 01:38:34,510
attack was Cheri Jo Bates over here at

2187
01:38:40,590 --> 01:38:37,300
Riverside Community College now whether

2188
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:40,600
you accept the idea cause Elliott

2189
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:43,330
claimed her zodiac did indeed claim her

2190
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:45,610
some people question that you know

2191
01:38:49,919 --> 01:38:47,530
okay was he just claiming someone else's

2192
01:38:51,810 --> 01:38:49,929
victim or whatever but that's a whole

2193
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:51,820
other argument that we don't get into

2194
01:38:58,800 --> 01:38:55,690
the fact is that where Cheri Jo Bates

2195
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:58,810
was murdered whoever did it they did it

2196
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:01,840
according to the map I had and had in my

2197
01:39:06,780 --> 01:39:04,480
possession for a year before I made the

2198
01:39:11,459 --> 01:39:06,790
zodiac connection Cheri Jo Bates murder

2199
01:39:14,669 --> 01:39:11,469
site was dead on this grid and actually

2200
01:39:18,050 --> 01:39:14,679
in a straight-line conjunction from an

2201
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:18,060
important nodal site as identified by

2202
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:21,520
the guy who did the map for me and I

2203
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,070
thought okay set aside whether you

2204
01:39:29,250 --> 01:39:26,880
believe in this energy grid or not or

2205
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:29,260
you know set aside whether you believe

2206
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:32,320
in these occult ideas related to it what

2207
01:39:36,990 --> 01:39:34,719
I argue is is the bazillion killer

2208
01:39:38,609 --> 01:39:37,000
whoever he was and the murderer of Cheri

2209
01:39:42,350 --> 01:39:38,619
Jo Bates whoever he was

2210
01:39:45,570 --> 01:39:42,360
booth individual believed in this stuff

2211
01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:45,580
because when I plotted all the known

2212
01:39:52,379 --> 01:39:49,510
zodiac attacks they too fell on the

2213
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:52,389
lines of the grid of you know as its

2214
01:39:58,979 --> 01:39:55,119
laid out as it exists so to speak up in

2215
01:40:02,609 --> 01:39:58,989
the Bay Area and that that kind of was

2216
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:02,619
startling it's really the the one thing

2217
01:40:07,890 --> 01:40:05,170
that ties all the victims together

2218
01:40:10,050 --> 01:40:07,900
theoretically now theoretically they

2219
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:10,060
never found out who the Zodiac killer

2220
01:40:14,580 --> 01:40:12,159
was although there were suspicions

2221
01:40:16,620 --> 01:40:14,590
that's right while there were suspicions

2222
01:40:21,709 --> 01:40:16,630
but they were never really able to prove

2223
01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:21,719
or nail the crimes to any of the

2224
01:40:27,149 --> 01:40:25,420
suspects and one argument could be that

2225
01:40:30,180 --> 01:40:27,159
there was more than one person involved

2226
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:30,190
now of course there are zodiac expert

2227
01:40:36,570 --> 01:40:33,489
zodiac aficionados many of them you know

2228
01:40:38,669 --> 01:40:36,580
just self-proclaimed who you know oh my

2229
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:38,679
gosh that you know they would they would

2230
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:41,050
argue vehemently against the idea you

2231
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:42,489
know it was just a you know it's kind of

2232
01:40:46,109 --> 01:40:44,080
like Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone

2233
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:46,119
gunman you know the Zodiac killer was a

2234
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:49,210
lone nut' and they insist on that I just

2235
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:51,730
personally disagree with that as a

2236
01:40:56,939 --> 01:40:54,880
certainty could have been one guy could

2237
01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:56,949
have been more than one guy you know we

2238
01:41:01,290 --> 01:40:58,570
just don't know

2239
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:01,300
Rick and I in in the first and for the

2240
01:41:06,750 --> 01:41:03,040
wheel book we do not even attempt to

2241
01:41:10,020 --> 01:41:06,760
identify the Zodiac killer what we do is

2242
01:41:12,420 --> 01:41:10,030
present based on what we have the idea

2243
01:41:16,620 --> 01:41:12,430
that the Zodiac killer was attacking his

2244
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:16,630
victims in conjunction with this this

2245
01:41:24,630 --> 01:41:21,360
energy grid now if we look at that

2246
01:41:27,330 --> 01:41:24,640
around the country do we find a higher

2247
01:41:30,420 --> 01:41:27,340
incidence of possible serial killings

2248
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:30,430
near a grid well I haven't you know I've

2249
01:41:35,250 --> 01:41:33,490
been so busy with just working on what

2250
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:35,260
happened here in the Inland Empire that

2251
01:41:39,540 --> 01:41:36,970
I haven't even begun and that would be a

2252
01:41:42,410 --> 01:41:39,550
great thing for another researcher to

2253
01:41:44,730 --> 01:41:42,420
look into and take up absolutely I

2254
01:41:46,500 --> 01:41:44,740
Walton Canyon copy of the map I'll

2255
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:46,510
overlay it on the areas of high

2256
01:41:52,530 --> 01:41:47,920
incidence and the cattle mutilation

2257
01:41:54,090 --> 01:41:52,540
phenomenon that I'm currently we're

2258
01:41:56,580 --> 01:41:54,100
putting some pretty fascinating things

2259
01:42:01,470 --> 01:41:56,590
together here all from this one incident

2260
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:01,480
you were saying we're starting a whole

2261
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:03,730
thing here but I guess the big question

2262
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:07,330
here is as we look at this have you

2263
01:42:11,340 --> 01:42:09,610
reached yet a brick wall in learning

2264
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:11,350
more about this case because it looks

2265
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:13,930
like you're trying or succeeding and

2266
01:42:18,780 --> 01:42:16,810
attaching other things in fact there's

2267
01:42:23,370 --> 01:42:18,790
mention in the blurb for your book

2268
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:23,380
something like for example the 1897

2269
01:42:29,070 --> 01:42:25,840
airships how would that for the Friends

2270
01:42:31,310 --> 01:42:29,080
of Sun in from Sonora that's right yes

2271
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:31,320
well there we go to that thread I

2272
01:42:35,310 --> 01:42:33,610
mentioned earlier related to the

2273
01:42:37,710 --> 01:42:35,320
gentlemen arrested on the train now

2274
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:37,720
during the the research for the first

2275
01:42:42,930 --> 01:42:41,050
book this this incident this gentleman

2276
01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:42,940
was kind of sticking out to us like a

2277
01:42:47,580 --> 01:42:45,460
sore thumb to me especially you know

2278
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:47,590
what's going on here you know here we

2279
01:42:52,260 --> 01:42:49,570
have what appears to have been you know

2280
01:42:55,290 --> 01:42:52,270
a serial killer possibly on the rampage

2281
01:42:57,630 --> 01:42:55,300
and here we have what appears to be our

2282
01:42:59,640 --> 01:42:57,640
perfect suspect a guy kind of you know

2283
01:43:01,320 --> 01:42:59,650
you having a nervous breakdown on a

2284
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:01,330
train hallucinating the face of a woman

2285
01:43:06,150 --> 01:43:04,090
and he says what people are accusing him

2286
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,160
of assaulting you know ten days after a

2287
01:43:10,740 --> 01:43:08,080
woman is found dead and he's in

2288
01:43:13,470 --> 01:43:10,750
possession of a woman's purse and

2289
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:13,480
at that time it was I think that there

2290
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:17,130
before tourists Anton's purse and in

2291
01:43:23,310 --> 01:43:20,050
alleged purse and her alleged had and

2292
01:43:25,950 --> 01:43:23,320
suicide note were all found so you know

2293
01:43:28,140 --> 01:43:25,960
here's the perfect suspect right so they

2294
01:43:33,899 --> 01:43:28,150
arrest him and as I said they take him

2295
01:43:36,990 --> 01:43:33,909
to the hospital he is diagnosed as just

2296
01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:37,000
you know forgot how they put it off the

2297
01:43:41,870 --> 01:43:38,710
top of my head but you know he was

2298
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:41,880
really losing it and then he's just

2299
01:43:48,330 --> 01:43:44,610
released into the custody of

2300
01:43:52,050 --> 01:43:48,340
unidentified friends from Sonora was how

2301
01:43:54,450 --> 01:43:52,060
the the newspaper put it well you got to

2302
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:54,460
ask you know I said okay friends from

2303
01:43:59,340 --> 01:43:56,530
Sonora is that and there's a Sonora in

2304
01:44:00,689 --> 01:43:59,350
Texas there's an or Mexico of course you

2305
01:44:02,879 --> 01:44:00,699
know and then of course there's Sonora

2306
01:44:06,300 --> 01:44:02,889
California so I looked at the guys named

2307
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:06,310
Frank Rose ASCO and sure enough I found

2308
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:09,850
a prominent rose ASCO ranching family in

2309
01:44:17,729 --> 01:44:12,610
Tuolumne County up there by Sonora

2310
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:17,739
California so then I went holy smokes

2311
01:44:24,290 --> 01:44:19,810
what do we have here because there's an

2312
01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:24,300
it interesting that in Sonora California

2313
01:44:34,050 --> 01:44:28,120
we have linked the legend of the Sonora

2314
01:44:36,209 --> 01:44:34,060
aero club a ro and the whole Charles del

2315
01:44:41,060 --> 01:44:36,219
shall thing about the guys who in the

2316
01:44:43,169 --> 01:44:41,070
1850s had discovered allegedly

2317
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:43,179
anti-gravity propulsion and we're

2318
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:45,489
building flying machines and secretly

2319
01:44:53,129 --> 01:44:47,770
flying them around Tuolumne County and

2320
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:53,139
and they would house their flying

2321
01:44:58,290 --> 01:44:55,600
machines in barns on private property

2322
01:45:01,260 --> 01:44:58,300
owned by the ranchers we're now getting

2323
01:45:02,850 --> 01:45:01,270
into something almost related to the UFO

2324
01:45:05,100 --> 01:45:02,860
mystery although this is not a

2325
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,110
ufo-related show at least i don't think

2326
01:45:09,930 --> 01:45:07,840
that it is we have Walter Bosley joining

2327
01:45:13,470 --> 01:45:09,940
us trying to unearth all the events

2328
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:13,480
surrounding a series of unusual apparent

2329
01:45:18,300 --> 01:45:16,719
murders in San Bernardino Valley a lot

2330
01:45:27,979 --> 01:45:18,310
more to come with Gene and Kris you're

2331
01:45:33,900 --> 01:45:31,140
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2332
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01:45:42,900 --> 01:45:40,900
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2347
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:07,929
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2348
01:46:12,150 --> 01:46:10,480
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2349
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:12,160
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2350
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:13,690
investment advisors won't talk about

2351
01:46:18,090 --> 01:46:15,610
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2352
01:46:19,890 --> 01:46:18,100
1986 yet the financial industry won't

2353
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:19,900
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2354
01:46:22,410 --> 01:46:20,530
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2355
01:46:24,570 --> 01:46:22,420
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2356
01:46:26,660 --> 01:46:24,580
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2357
01:46:29,939 --> 01:46:26,670
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2358
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:29,949
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2359
01:47:34,040 --> 01:46:32,250
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2360
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:37,069
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2361
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:50,090
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2362
01:48:03,290 --> 01:47:54,410
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2363
01:48:05,540 --> 01:48:03,300
here's Jane Steinberg yes the trickster

2364
01:48:06,230 --> 01:48:05,550
voice will soon emerge from Chris

2365
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:06,240
O'Brien

2366
01:48:09,710 --> 01:48:08,370
because now we're starting to find some

2367
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:09,720
really strange stuff

2368
01:48:14,090 --> 01:48:11,760
yeah and in another interesting

2369
01:48:18,140 --> 01:48:14,100
correlation Walter I was reunited with

2370
01:48:20,690 --> 01:48:18,150
my birth family in 2001 and most of them

2371
01:48:23,540 --> 01:48:20,700
live in Sonora did you ask them what

2372
01:48:25,730 --> 01:48:23,550
went on in 1915 you know I haven't but I

2373
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:25,740
don't really have any relatives alive

2374
01:48:29,870 --> 01:48:27,330
that would that would know about that

2375
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:29,880
but they have been in the area since

2376
01:48:34,130 --> 01:48:32,070
about that time so it's an interesting

2377
01:48:35,930 --> 01:48:34,140
area so it's a wonderful place when I

2378
01:48:38,690 --> 01:48:35,940
haven't been there yet I'm going there

2379
01:48:40,430 --> 01:48:38,700
after I finished shooting my film I'll

2380
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:40,440
be going there to actually talk with a

2381
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:43,440
source you know relatives just following

2382
01:48:47,690 --> 01:48:45,780
up on this second book and what I'm

2383
01:48:50,930 --> 01:48:47,700
pursuing the you know the loose end of

2384
01:48:52,190 --> 01:48:50,940
the third book but yeah you know it was

2385
01:48:53,690 --> 01:48:52,200
something that was just kind of hanging

2386
01:48:56,180 --> 01:48:53,700
there and because the first book doesn't

2387
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:56,190
get into that it was something that you

2388
01:49:01,660 --> 01:48:57,780
know as a thread I wanted to pull

2389
01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:01,670
afterwards and see where it led and and

2390
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:06,420
you know I'm just holy smokes it it

2391
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:10,400
really did you know open up a whole can

2392
01:49:16,430 --> 01:49:13,850
that really became the second book

2393
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,440
because I never would have imagined what

2394
01:49:23,300 --> 01:49:18,960
there was you know anything remotely

2395
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:23,310
connected to the arrow club associated

2396
01:49:27,260 --> 01:49:24,960
with any of this I thought we were only

2397
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:27,270
dealing with you know some crazy you

2398
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:29,760
know a cult driven serial killer at the

2399
01:49:36,260 --> 01:49:33,810
most you know and at the very least you

2400
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,270
know just you know your average

2401
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:38,400
run-of-the-mill psychopath so to speak

2402
01:49:42,890 --> 01:49:40,650
as if they're right over the mill okay

2403
01:49:46,610 --> 01:49:42,900
so now we're raising a whole can of

2404
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:46,620
worms here about arrow Club and how

2405
01:49:55,610 --> 01:49:49,920
could have been related mm-hmm and and

2406
01:49:58,400 --> 01:49:55,620
the second book steps away from the the

2407
01:49:59,479 --> 01:49:58,410
the the murder investigation aspect of

2408
01:50:04,490 --> 01:49:59,489
it it's

2409
01:50:06,580 --> 01:50:04,500
that's away from the account aspect as

2410
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:06,590
it looked at in the first book the

2411
01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:10,650
second book purely follows the thread

2412
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:13,710
that's pulled with with Frank rose ASCO

2413
01:50:20,990 --> 01:50:17,610
and the the arrow Club stuff and for

2414
01:50:25,209 --> 01:50:21,000
those not familiar it Wow how do you

2415
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,219
nutshell this basically there was the

2416
01:50:31,820 --> 01:50:28,560
1890s airship mystery which a lot of

2417
01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:31,830
folks that are you know scholars of in

2418
01:50:38,630 --> 01:50:35,580
fans of UFO lore and such in history are

2419
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:38,640
familiar with but before that forty

2420
01:50:46,150 --> 01:50:42,810
years before that there was the mystery

2421
01:50:49,340 --> 01:50:46,160
of the Sonora Aero Club in California as

2422
01:50:51,709 --> 01:50:49,350
written about revealed so to speak by a

2423
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:51,719
German immigrant named Charles L shall

2424
01:50:57,410 --> 01:50:54,630
who came to California now this is by

2425
01:51:00,740 --> 01:50:57,420
his own account he came to California on

2426
01:51:06,260 --> 01:51:00,750
behalf of a mysterious organization he

2427
01:51:08,450 --> 01:51:06,270
said was called NIMS NY mga to observe

2428
01:51:11,540 --> 01:51:08,460
and report on the progress and

2429
01:51:14,209 --> 01:51:11,550
activities of this Sonora Aero Club

2430
01:51:17,630 --> 01:51:14,219
which was being run by a group of German

2431
01:51:20,180 --> 01:51:17,640
immigrants in the Tuolumne County area

2432
01:51:22,430 --> 01:51:20,190
and allegedly the leader of this group a

2433
01:51:27,140 --> 01:51:22,440
man named Peter Menace you know the

2434
01:51:30,530 --> 01:51:27,150
secret of anti-gravity propulsion is the

2435
01:51:36,530 --> 01:51:30,540
best way we could put it today it he had

2436
01:51:38,450 --> 01:51:36,540
this this mechanism that does shall you

2437
01:51:42,860 --> 01:51:38,460
know describes and illustrates and his

2438
01:51:44,630 --> 01:51:42,870
famous paintings and it was moved by

2439
01:51:48,290 --> 01:51:44,640
something that Menace called

2440
01:51:51,590 --> 01:51:48,300
supa su PE soup or super and it was a

2441
01:51:55,070 --> 01:51:51,600
green liquid apparently and this

2442
01:51:58,180 --> 01:51:55,080
mechanism to me instantly when I saw the

2443
01:52:03,770 --> 01:51:58,190
pictures of it reminded me of the

2444
01:52:06,140 --> 01:52:03,780
so-called Nazi bell which very allegedly

2445
01:52:08,630 --> 01:52:06,150
got from the what we call the mercury

2446
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:08,640
vortex engines of the ancient vimana

2447
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:12,000
and so Wow you know here here suddenly

2448
01:52:14,989 --> 01:52:13,199
we have all

2449
01:52:17,930 --> 01:52:14,999
all this stuff what in the heck is this

2450
01:52:20,779 --> 01:52:17,940
about and how in the heck does it relate

2451
01:52:23,569 --> 01:52:20,789
if at all to what was going on in San

2452
01:52:27,379 --> 01:52:23,579
Bernardino in 1915 so the second rope

2453
01:52:30,859 --> 01:52:27,389
focuses more on the woman known as Cora

2454
01:52:35,029 --> 01:52:30,869
Stanton and two other victims EP braid

2455
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:35,039
and Oh H Bailey and of course Frank Rose

2456
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:39,570
s Co himself and how they might have

2457
01:52:49,549 --> 01:52:43,170
been involved in all this airship stuff

2458
01:52:52,819 --> 01:52:49,559
and why the airship milieu is to be

2459
01:52:56,270 --> 01:52:52,829
found mixed in with all this strange

2460
01:52:58,580 --> 01:52:56,280
stuff you know going on in 1915 San

2461
01:53:00,949 --> 01:52:58,590
Bernardino all right let's mix it up a

2462
01:53:03,500 --> 01:53:00,959
little bit more how do you relate it how

2463
01:53:05,390 --> 01:53:03,510
can you possibly relate something about

2464
01:53:08,449 --> 01:53:05,400
airships to people getting killed

2465
01:53:10,699 --> 01:53:08,459
well again it goes back to look at what

2466
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:10,709
was going on in 1915 you have a world

2467
01:53:16,759 --> 01:53:13,440
war going on and who are the players in

2468
01:53:22,069 --> 01:53:16,769
it you know Germany you know in England

2469
01:53:24,199 --> 01:53:22,079
mainly and you have a German hand in the

2470
01:53:26,930 --> 01:53:24,209
airship mystery now I know there's folks

2471
01:53:29,870 --> 01:53:26,940
out there that you know have expressed

2472
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:29,880
you know difficulty with any German

2473
01:53:33,500 --> 01:53:31,679
connection to this and I know that you

2474
01:53:36,979 --> 01:53:33,510
know the mysterious nimza has been

2475
01:53:40,910 --> 01:53:36,989
written off as their fantasy that del

2476
01:53:43,819 --> 01:53:40,920
shall made up and the one that cracks me

2477
01:53:47,169 --> 01:53:43,829
up is is that it's it's a an expression

2478
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:47,179
of some type of psychosexual

2479
01:53:53,419 --> 01:53:49,170
psychological thing going on there that

2480
01:53:56,290 --> 01:53:53,429
one is I find amusing but del shall in

2481
01:53:59,899 --> 01:53:56,300
his writings very specifically says that

2482
01:54:02,209 --> 01:53:59,909
nimza was an organization based in

2483
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:02,219
Germany headquartered in Germany he

2484
01:54:06,919 --> 01:54:04,110
himself was a German immigrant you had

2485
01:54:09,379 --> 01:54:06,929
German immigrants that were really the

2486
01:54:12,919 --> 01:54:09,389
guys leading the Donora Aero Club and

2487
01:54:15,620 --> 01:54:12,929
yet the attempts at translation of nimza

2488
01:54:18,529 --> 01:54:15,630
have always focused on New York because

2489
01:54:21,500 --> 01:54:18,539
nimza being an YMCA and because there

2490
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:21,510
had been mention of money and and

2491
01:54:26,449 --> 01:54:23,760
financial backers coming from New York

2492
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:26,459
bankers and Finance ears so therefore

2493
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:26,850
the

2494
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:30,000
this always stopped at New York and YMCA

2495
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:32,730
while it must be New York something and

2496
01:54:37,010 --> 01:54:35,010
one of them is the New York motors that

2497
01:54:41,390 --> 01:54:37,020
for Association which is reasonable you

2498
01:54:44,300 --> 01:54:41,400
know I get that one however when you

2499
01:54:47,390 --> 01:54:44,310
look at what del shall himself said my

2500
01:54:50,270 --> 01:54:47,400
thinking was that it couldn't really

2501
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:50,280
couldn't be a New York answer

2502
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:52,110
you know let's look at the German

2503
01:54:57,170 --> 01:54:54,330
possibilities so that's where I end up

2504
01:54:59,810 --> 01:54:57,180
coming up with the German translation or

2505
01:55:04,430 --> 01:54:59,820
nimza and the book goes into that in

2506
01:55:07,790 --> 01:55:04,440
much greater explanation in detailed and

2507
01:55:10,130 --> 01:55:07,800
I can do justice here because admittedly

2508
01:55:13,450 --> 01:55:10,140
I'm not a german linguist or a german

2509
01:55:16,910 --> 01:55:13,460
speaker but i went to people who are and

2510
01:55:19,700 --> 01:55:16,920
so there you have a whole german

2511
01:55:23,210 --> 01:55:19,710
connection to this airship thing and

2512
01:55:26,630 --> 01:55:23,220
here you have world war one going on and

2513
01:55:30,050 --> 01:55:26,640
when you get into the the whole thing

2514
01:55:33,590 --> 01:55:30,060
about bankers and war and secret

2515
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:33,600
technology and stuff then you wonder ok

2516
01:55:39,380 --> 01:55:36,810
why would these guys be interested in

2517
01:55:43,310 --> 01:55:39,390
what was going on in san bernardino in

2518
01:55:47,630 --> 01:55:43,320
1915 and i think the answer to that

2519
01:55:52,190 --> 01:55:47,640
question probably lies with the energy

2520
01:55:55,220 --> 01:55:52,200
grid because my analysis in the second

2521
01:55:58,220 --> 01:55:55,230
book as its presented present the

2522
01:56:01,820 --> 01:55:58,230
evidence for the idea that the airship

2523
01:56:06,020 --> 01:56:01,830
and how they operated linked into this

2524
01:56:08,690 --> 01:56:06,030
energy grid and therefore anybody doing

2525
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:08,700
on anything on the energy grid these

2526
01:56:14,150 --> 01:56:11,250
airship guys would have been keenly

2527
01:56:16,910 --> 01:56:14,160
interested in in other words you know if

2528
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:16,920
this is a grid they rely on for their

2529
01:56:22,660 --> 01:56:20,070
secret technology and if somebody's you

2530
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:22,670
know conducting some shenanigans

2531
01:56:27,980 --> 01:56:24,930
particularly involving murder and such

2532
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:27,990
on this energy grid very theoretically

2533
01:56:32,780 --> 01:56:30,480
are going to be interested in exactly

2534
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:32,790
what these guys are doing and why and

2535
01:56:38,140 --> 01:56:34,530
how this is going to affect their

2536
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:38,150
operation and the fact is the the

2537
01:56:43,730 --> 01:56:40,810
speculation the theory that

2538
01:56:46,350 --> 01:56:43,740
I present with you know the the

2539
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:46,360
supporting details of the argument in

2540
01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:49,210
the second book now and what you told us

2541
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:52,960
earlier is that this aro group started

2542
01:56:59,160 --> 01:56:54,850
working on this alleged anti-gravity

2543
01:57:01,500 --> 01:56:59,170
machine what in the middle of the 19th

2544
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:01,510
century like the 1850s or something so

2545
01:57:07,380 --> 01:57:04,960
we're going 50 65 years into the future

2546
01:57:09,750 --> 01:57:07,390
to see where that led so the question

2547
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:09,760
would be well if you felt that they had

2548
01:57:14,970 --> 01:57:11,890
this possible invention

2549
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:14,980
did they ever succeed in building any

2550
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:18,250
real aircraft and if so what happened to

2551
01:57:21,810 --> 01:57:19,570
that really aircrafts I'm going to

2552
01:57:23,490 --> 01:57:21,820
question so little time has like

2553
01:57:25,650 --> 01:57:23,500
something else but I won't quote it

2554
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:25,660
because it relates to a movie the books

2555
01:57:30,570 --> 01:57:27,610
are under the collective titles of

2556
01:57:32,460 --> 01:57:30,580
Empire of the wheel and we have Walter

2557
01:57:42,570 --> 01:57:32,470
Bosley joining Jean and Kris you're in

2558
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:42,580
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2559
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agenda two strange creatures from the

2560
01:57:50,220 --> 01:57:47,860
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2561
01:57:53,460 --> 01:57:50,230
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2562
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2574
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2575
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2576
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2577
01:58:48,810 --> 01:58:46,390
been more important certainly not in my

2578
01:58:50,939 --> 01:58:48,820
22 years in the industry the dollars

2579
01:58:52,229 --> 01:58:50,949
lost over ninety percent of its value in

2580
01:58:54,540 --> 01:58:52,239
the last sixty years

2581
01:58:56,669 --> 01:58:54,550
no fiat currency has ever survived the

2582
01:59:00,020 --> 01:58:56,679
government printing presses ours is not

2583
01:59:03,990 --> 01:59:00,030
immune the time is now to be proactive

2584
01:59:07,020 --> 01:59:04,000
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2585
01:59:10,830 --> 01:59:07,030
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2586
01:59:13,350 --> 01:59:10,840
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2587
01:59:15,300 --> 01:59:13,360
you name it so decide do you want to

2588
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leave a legacy of wealth or debt for

2589
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your family the choice is yours call me

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2591
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2592
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2593
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2594
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2595
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2611
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2636
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2640
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2641
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2642
02:02:06,930 --> 02:02:03,400
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2643
02:02:11,010 --> 02:02:06,940
us fascinating here this arrow group

2644
02:02:13,620 --> 02:02:11,020
were Society in California any evidence

2645
02:02:16,859 --> 02:02:13,630
at all but they actually develop

2646
02:02:19,470 --> 02:02:16,869
something that works or worked before

2647
02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:19,480
Walter answers that we must remind our

2648
02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:23,110
listeners that the the first reported

2649
02:02:30,290 --> 02:02:27,730
events of the 1896 1897 airship wave

2650
02:02:33,390 --> 02:02:30,300
happened just down the hill from Sonora

2651
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:33,400
outside of Sacramento California

2652
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:37,090
and back very interesting correlations

2653
02:02:42,450 --> 02:02:38,650
there in terms of just just sheer

2654
02:02:46,050 --> 02:02:42,460
geography exactly exactly and that leads

2655
02:02:50,510 --> 02:02:46,060
into my initial answer to the question

2656
02:02:53,459 --> 02:02:50,520
there is that the first of all you have

2657
02:02:56,700 --> 02:02:53,469
let's all agree here you you brought up

2658
02:02:59,819 --> 02:02:56,710
what is the problem with this whole

2659
02:03:02,129 --> 02:02:59,829
story of the Aero Club the problem is

2660
02:03:04,979 --> 02:03:02,139
where is this technology how you know

2661
02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:04,989
how come in World War one and the 20th

2662
02:03:08,700 --> 02:03:06,250
century you know we are dealing with

2663
02:03:10,319 --> 02:03:08,710
biplanes and Zeppelin's and then in

2664
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:10,329
World War two you know we're still using

2665
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:12,250
propeller driven aircraft I mean you

2666
02:03:16,229 --> 02:03:14,050
know what what the heck is going on here

2667
02:03:18,569 --> 02:03:16,239
that is admittedly part of a problem

2668
02:03:20,459 --> 02:03:18,579
with the whole idea that there were

2669
02:03:22,649 --> 02:03:20,469
these guys with this this advanced

2670
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:22,659
technology of course that also relates

2671
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:24,250
to the common question that if we

2672
02:03:29,850 --> 02:03:27,280
unearthed alien technology in Roswell

2673
02:03:34,250 --> 02:03:29,860
because of a UFO crash where is that

2674
02:03:36,510 --> 02:03:34,260
technology but let's go back to the site

2675
02:03:38,669 --> 02:03:36,520
when you look at the del shell

2676
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:38,679
description of these arrows these are

2677
02:03:45,530 --> 02:03:42,880
very primitive expressions of the use of

2678
02:03:48,780 --> 02:03:45,540
this technology so as it developed I

2679
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:48,790
wouldn't I would point to the 1890s

2680
02:03:54,839 --> 02:03:51,520
airship mystery itself just as Chris

2681
02:03:57,359 --> 02:03:54,849
pointed out with what looks like an

2682
02:04:00,060 --> 02:03:57,369
apparent connection to the Sonora aero

2683
02:04:04,049 --> 02:04:00,070
club mystery because as he first said

2684
02:04:06,030 --> 02:04:04,059
the first sighting in 1890 their ship

2685
02:04:08,340 --> 02:04:06,040
mystery was right up the road

2686
02:04:11,670 --> 02:04:08,350
you know in Sacramento so so you could

2687
02:04:13,380 --> 02:04:11,680
point to the 1890 airship mystery as the

2688
02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:13,390
first part of the answer that question

2689
02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:15,970
now the second part is where did it

2690
02:04:22,260 --> 02:04:19,090
develop from there well we have these

2691
02:04:24,450 --> 02:04:22,270
stories of what the Nazi engineers were

2692
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:24,460
doing messing around with us early in

2693
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:27,010
the late 1920s and into the 1930s with

2694
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:29,170
the bail and the stories of their

2695
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:31,330
attempts to do flying saucers and such

2696
02:04:36,360 --> 02:04:34,450
and you know no matter what you think of

2697
02:04:39,470 --> 02:04:36,370
that stuff you know those stories are

2698
02:04:42,990 --> 02:04:39,480
there and Joseph Ferrell has done

2699
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:43,000
probably the one of the very best jobs

2700
02:04:48,030 --> 02:04:45,850
on analysis of you know in his book

2701
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:48,040
Roswell on the right of what the Germans

2702
02:04:53,130 --> 02:04:50,410
actually were as a matter of historical

2703
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:53,140
record in fact what they were developing

2704
02:04:58,590 --> 02:04:55,930
that would support the idea that this

2705
02:05:01,260 --> 02:04:58,600
technology you know while you know

2706
02:05:03,330 --> 02:05:01,270
emerging being shared and such now the

2707
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:03,340
book the Second Empire the wheel books

2708
02:05:09,330 --> 02:05:06,490
is not going to that you know in in any

2709
02:05:11,940 --> 02:05:09,340
kind of detail it alludes to it but the

2710
02:05:14,730 --> 02:05:11,950
point of all this is yes the problem is

2711
02:05:16,710 --> 02:05:14,740
usually had it since the 1850s as early

2712
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:16,720
as the 1850s where is it now where has

2713
02:05:23,190 --> 02:05:20,410
it been but the potential answer to that

2714
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:23,200
is well look at the airship mystery well

2715
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:25,450
look at these stories of you know the

2716
02:05:30,300 --> 02:05:27,850
early 20th century flying saucers well

2717
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:30,310
look at Roswell and ask yourself what

2718
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:32,320
really and who really was that that you

2719
02:05:36,210 --> 02:05:34,570
know that's where you might find the

2720
02:05:38,640 --> 02:05:36,220
answers to that question

2721
02:05:40,910 --> 02:05:38,650
Thomas raises the crypto terrestrial

2722
02:05:43,980 --> 02:05:40,920
theory that there is an organization

2723
02:05:47,700 --> 02:05:43,990
society or civilization on earth that

2724
02:05:49,950 --> 02:05:47,710
has these advanced aircraft and they fly

2725
02:05:51,570 --> 02:05:49,960
them around but we still don't

2726
02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:51,580
understand their motives their purpose

2727
02:05:55,110 --> 02:05:53,650
or why they don't let themselves be

2728
02:05:58,920 --> 02:05:55,120
known maybe they are known to

2729
02:06:01,890 --> 02:05:58,930
governments well my into that I get into

2730
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:01,900
the the second book Empire the rule to

2731
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:04,330
friends from Sonora it goes into the

2732
02:06:11,820 --> 02:06:08,410
breakaway civilization as you know a

2733
02:06:13,230 --> 02:06:11,830
possible explanation for what was going

2734
02:06:16,620 --> 02:06:13,240
on with these arrows and there's

2735
02:06:18,899 --> 02:06:16,630
airships and what was going on as far as

2736
02:06:22,350 --> 02:06:18,909
they're involved with the 1915 this

2737
02:06:26,120 --> 02:06:22,360
in San Bernardino and it explains about

2738
02:06:28,890 --> 02:06:26,130
how in my personal theory that the

2739
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:28,900
original nimza which was the umbrella

2740
02:06:34,110 --> 02:06:31,110
organization over all these different

2741
02:06:36,240 --> 02:06:34,120
arrow clubs which remember Dell shop

2742
02:06:39,060 --> 02:06:36,250
said there were several arrow clubs they

2743
02:06:43,050 --> 02:06:39,070
were northern one arrow club certainly

2744
02:06:45,090 --> 02:06:43,060
around various areas of the US and in my

2745
02:06:49,470 --> 02:06:45,100
research and in my book I go into the

2746
02:06:51,780 --> 02:06:49,480
argument that this organization these

2747
02:06:53,850 --> 02:06:51,790
groups divided into two factions you

2748
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:53,860
would have had one faction based on the

2749
02:06:58,620 --> 02:06:55,810
evidence you know in my analysis of it

2750
02:07:00,629 --> 02:06:58,630
that was really committed to the

2751
02:07:03,180 --> 02:07:00,639
advancement of this technology and what

2752
02:07:05,100 --> 02:07:03,190
it could have done commercially so to

2753
02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:05,110
speak and then the other one that was

2754
02:07:11,910 --> 02:07:09,250
more esoterically driven and by 1915 I

2755
02:07:13,860 --> 02:07:11,920
argue theoretically that these were two

2756
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:13,870
distinct factions that were in

2757
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:15,280
opposition to each other

2758
02:07:22,370 --> 02:07:19,290
but two distinct factions which were

2759
02:07:25,530 --> 02:07:22,380
essentially factions of a breakaway

2760
02:07:27,689 --> 02:07:25,540
civilization so to speak that had their

2761
02:07:30,060 --> 02:07:27,699
reasons for keeping this technology to

2762
02:07:32,729 --> 02:07:30,070
themself that's been discussed by

2763
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:32,739
authors who are much more knowledgeable

2764
02:07:36,750 --> 02:07:35,050
about this you know than I am the

2765
02:07:41,030 --> 02:07:36,760
breakaway civilization so to speak and

2766
02:07:44,610 --> 02:07:41,040
those concepts but it's an interesting

2767
02:07:47,689 --> 02:07:44,620
interesting concept that it really

2768
02:07:50,790 --> 02:07:47,699
really well with you know what we know

2769
02:07:53,850 --> 02:07:50,800
allegedly about the airship mystery the

2770
02:07:56,070 --> 02:07:53,860
arrow clubs and all that secret

2771
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:56,080
technology stuff well here's the wing

2772
02:08:01,890 --> 02:07:58,960
I'm looking at also and that is here is

2773
02:08:04,530 --> 02:08:01,900
there any reason whatsoever granted

2774
02:08:06,810 --> 02:08:04,540
there's a breakaway civilization granted

2775
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:06,820
that we have different fractions granted

2776
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:08,290
that they've developed advanced aircraft

2777
02:08:15,530 --> 02:08:11,199
of one type or another any reason to

2778
02:08:18,660 --> 02:08:15,540
relate any of that to these killings

2779
02:08:22,260 --> 02:08:18,670
goes into that as far as the adults are

2780
02:08:26,129 --> 02:08:22,270
concerned the book argues that the women

2781
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:26,139
Cora Stanton was actually a government

2782
02:08:32,810 --> 02:08:30,130
source asset or possibly agent whose

2783
02:08:36,830 --> 02:08:32,820
work through the government

2784
02:08:41,210 --> 02:08:36,840
had exposed her to the breakaway

2785
02:08:44,930 --> 02:08:41,220
civilization network players and that

2786
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:44,940
she was in San Bernadino investigating

2787
02:08:52,820 --> 02:08:48,330
either on behalf of the government or

2788
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:52,830
possibly linked to one of the faction

2789
02:08:58,640 --> 02:08:56,010
and she basically you know wrong place

2790
02:09:01,850 --> 02:08:58,650
at the wrong time learned too much that

2791
02:09:04,820 --> 02:09:01,860
kind of thing and was murdered by an

2792
02:09:07,550 --> 02:09:04,830
opposition agent and that two other

2793
02:09:10,580 --> 02:09:07,560
would be adult were the victims were

2794
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:10,590
involved in all this one of them was

2795
02:09:18,620 --> 02:09:14,010
very possibly murdered by opposition

2796
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:18,630
agent the other one possibly stated

2797
02:09:24,470 --> 02:09:21,690
death because we go into who who he

2798
02:09:26,270 --> 02:09:24,480
might have been and why he would have

2799
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:26,280
faked his death I mean it really I'm

2800
02:09:32,720 --> 02:09:30,000
telling you it it there's all sorts of

2801
02:09:35,150 --> 02:09:32,730
interesting facets to this little jewel

2802
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:35,160
that I've uncovered here in San

2803
02:09:42,380 --> 02:09:38,610
Bernardino and anyway as as agents

2804
02:09:45,230 --> 02:09:42,390
involved either with with you know the

2805
02:09:46,700 --> 02:09:45,240
war and the government the the man who I

2806
02:09:51,140 --> 02:09:46,710
just mentioned who might have faked his

2807
02:09:53,630 --> 02:09:51,150
death if if I'm right in my theory is

2808
02:09:56,780 --> 02:09:53,640
that he was a very wealthy industrialist

2809
02:09:59,300 --> 02:09:56,790
and very possibly one of the investors

2810
02:10:03,080 --> 02:09:59,310
in the airship technology that would

2811
02:10:06,230 --> 02:10:03,090
have you know connected him to knowledge

2812
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:06,240
of it the players and and the extent of

2813
02:10:10,910 --> 02:10:09,090
their technology and right there might

2814
02:10:14,540 --> 02:10:10,920
have been a reason for why his life was

2815
02:10:16,940 --> 02:10:14,550
in danger so that's the angle that the

2816
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:16,950
second book goes into we're trying to

2817
02:10:20,810 --> 02:10:18,480
put more of this together in our next

2818
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:20,820
segment we have Walter Bosley joining

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02:10:34,990 --> 02:10:31,780
the GZ and Radio Network providing the

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this sounds like a movie Walter Bosley

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give us the lowdown on how they actually

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were brought into this whole scenario

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sort of peripherally no absolutely Wow

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this was a doozy for me to be honest

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this was the biggie for me basically you

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have the German association in this

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American West and it's kind of hard to

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do in a nutshell to be honest it really

2937
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started with course man here I had this

2938
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mystery woman who nobody knew who she

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was and the identity of Cora Stanton the

2940
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first book goes into in great detail

2941
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Rick and I are convinced that that was

2942
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not her real name that was a false

2943
02:16:01,430 --> 02:15:58,650
identity and the first book explains why

2944
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:01,440
as I said in great detail so we come

2945
02:16:06,890 --> 02:16:04,170
away convinced that these woman

2946
02:16:09,080 --> 02:16:06,900
so-called Cora Stanton that was not her

2947
02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:09,090
true identity she showed up in town

2948
02:16:13,390 --> 02:16:11,250
nobody knows her you know she turns up

2949
02:16:17,330 --> 02:16:13,400
dead the only people to see her alive

2950
02:16:20,120 --> 02:16:17,340
are the you know he was a receptionist

2951
02:16:23,470 --> 02:16:20,130
in a doctor's office that she went into

2952
02:16:26,180 --> 02:16:23,480
the afternoon of the night she died and

2953
02:16:29,810 --> 02:16:26,190
after she dies you know she's found

2954
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:29,820
floating in a lake it's later discovered

2955
02:16:34,640 --> 02:16:32,610
by the medical examiner that she's got

2956
02:16:36,770 --> 02:16:34,650
poisoned by chloride of mercury

2957
02:16:40,610 --> 02:16:36,780
interesting that the only poison victim

2958
02:16:42,560 --> 02:16:40,620
in this whole mystery out of syrup or

2959
02:16:44,540 --> 02:16:42,570
thing victims they were able to identify

2960
02:16:46,970 --> 02:16:44,550
the poison in her system because it was

2961
02:16:51,080 --> 02:16:46,980
a well known substance chemical back

2962
02:16:52,820 --> 02:16:51,090
then and poisonous chemical but nobody

2963
02:16:55,160 --> 02:16:52,830
knows who she is I mean hundreds of

2964
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:55,170
people a few thousand people were kind

2965
02:16:59,810 --> 02:16:57,599
of paraded through the according to the

2966
02:17:03,259 --> 02:16:59,820
news report through the mortuary that

2967
02:17:05,690 --> 02:17:03,269
was serving as the as the morgue in this

2968
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:05,700
case and nobody knew who she was her

2969
02:17:11,660 --> 02:17:09,210
name was unknown for going on like 11

2970
02:17:11,900 --> 02:17:11,670
days it was all over the newspaper you

2971
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:11,910
know

2972
02:17:22,640 --> 02:17:18,240
identifiers only a physical description

2973
02:17:25,010 --> 02:17:22,650
was given and then like I said eleven

2974
02:17:28,970 --> 02:17:25,020
days after she's found dead somebody

2975
02:17:31,550 --> 02:17:28,980
stumbles upon a purse a hat and a

2976
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:31,560
suicide note and in this suicide note is

2977
02:17:36,770 --> 02:17:34,170
the name correspondent and that was the

2978
02:17:39,140 --> 02:17:36,780
first time and the only thing that ever

2979
02:17:42,890 --> 02:17:39,150
identified this woman as correspondent

2980
02:17:46,190 --> 02:17:42,900
well within hours or within an hour so

2981
02:17:49,459 --> 02:17:46,200
of this first and note being found a man

2982
02:17:51,860 --> 02:17:49,469
walked into the mortuary claiming that

2983
02:17:52,700 --> 02:17:51,870
he knows Cora Stanton known as for a

2984
02:17:56,840 --> 02:17:52,710
long time

2985
02:17:58,820 --> 02:17:56,850
newer in Iowa and before she went to El

2986
02:18:01,550 --> 02:17:58,830
Paso Texas like the letter states she's

2987
02:18:04,940 --> 02:18:01,560
from El Paso and when he's shown the

2988
02:18:07,459 --> 02:18:04,950
body allegedly he doesn't recognize it

2989
02:18:10,040 --> 02:18:07,469
and then before the police can get there

2990
02:18:13,100 --> 02:18:10,050
to question him he disappeared the name

2991
02:18:16,070 --> 02:18:13,110
he gives you know the leads followed on

2992
02:18:18,050 --> 02:18:16,080
it turn up nothing working so he learns

2993
02:18:21,169 --> 02:18:18,060
and where he says he worked nobody there

2994
02:18:23,930 --> 02:18:21,179
knows him and he himself becomes a

2995
02:18:26,750 --> 02:18:23,940
mystery so you know I'm wondering what

2996
02:18:29,570 --> 02:18:26,760
the heck is going on with this and you

2997
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:29,580
know who was this woman and you know it

2998
02:18:35,330 --> 02:18:33,090
was it was left good mystery oh I might

2999
02:18:38,720 --> 02:18:35,340
add that she was 35 years old and found

3000
02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:38,730
to be a virgin and you know for this

3001
02:18:43,100 --> 02:18:41,490
whole thing is very strange so I go back

3002
02:18:47,300 --> 02:18:43,110
to be the second book and I'm jumping

3003
02:18:49,610 --> 02:18:47,310
back in to look at my information and

3004
02:18:52,070 --> 02:18:49,620
sources on missing persons at the time I

3005
02:18:54,650 --> 02:18:52,080
was actually going back to look deeper

3006
02:18:56,720 --> 02:18:54,660
into Oh H Bailey V the first victim who

3007
02:19:00,410 --> 02:18:56,730
I mentioned before and it's in the first

3008
02:19:02,900 --> 02:19:00,420
book and I happen to come across a name

3009
02:19:06,200 --> 02:19:02,910
a historical figure that I never knew

3010
02:19:10,400 --> 02:19:06,210
was considered a missing person and so I

3011
02:19:13,640 --> 02:19:10,410
thought wow I wonder so I looked at this

3012
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:13,650
famous woman physical description and I

3013
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:15,840
kind of got you know those investigators

3014
02:19:20,990 --> 02:19:18,960
intuitive goosebumps and the the ether I

3015
02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:21,000
looked into it the more interesting

3016
02:19:25,709 --> 02:19:24,330
things I found and it basically led to

3017
02:19:27,839 --> 02:19:25,719
my theory which is

3018
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:27,849
presented in the book to the extent that

3019
02:19:34,649 --> 02:19:31,689
I can support it my theory that the true

3020
02:19:38,099 --> 02:19:34,659
identity of Korus fountain was at a

3021
02:19:41,309 --> 02:19:38,109
place the associate of Butch Cassidy and

3022
02:19:43,739 --> 02:19:41,319
the Sundance Kid who by the way returned

3023
02:19:46,879 --> 02:19:43,749
from South America before which in

3024
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:46,889
Sundance allegedly were killed and who

3025
02:19:55,469 --> 02:19:52,090
disappeared in 1909 and so I thought

3026
02:19:59,550 --> 02:19:55,479
gosh you know could it be the physical

3027
02:20:03,029 --> 02:19:59,560
description are nearly exact you know

3028
02:20:06,029 --> 02:20:03,039
eddo disappeared in 1909 Cora no one

3029
02:20:09,319 --> 02:20:06,039
knows anything about her I began to look

3030
02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:09,329
into could at a place have been working

3031
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:12,130
as some type of law enforcement source

3032
02:20:18,090 --> 02:20:14,560
again you know on Butch and Sundance and

3033
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:18,100
their circles and the book either w-2

3034
02:20:24,300 --> 02:20:20,170
Empire the wheel two goes into all this

3035
02:20:26,729 --> 02:20:24,310
and it is my position presently that at

3036
02:20:28,500 --> 02:20:26,739
a place is actually buried here in San

3037
02:20:31,439 --> 02:20:28,510
Bernardino under the name course Anthony

3038
02:20:33,809 --> 02:20:31,449
again the book book explains all that

3039
02:20:35,849 --> 02:20:33,819
now how does that tie in to all this

3040
02:20:39,239 --> 02:20:35,859
airship mystery and all this strange

3041
02:20:41,639 --> 02:20:39,249
stuff well Butch and Sundance went down

3042
02:20:44,460 --> 02:20:41,649
to South America as we know that what I

3043
02:20:46,349 --> 02:20:44,470
didn't know was all the interesting

3044
02:20:49,139 --> 02:20:46,359
things that went on between them and eh

3045
02:20:52,439 --> 02:20:49,149
Harriman the the head of the Union

3046
02:20:56,399 --> 02:20:52,449
Pacific Railroad and his association to

3047
02:21:01,469 --> 02:20:56,409
German bankers Oh silence

3048
02:21:04,290 --> 02:21:01,479
I don't know Walter kind of sounds a

3049
02:21:06,469 --> 02:21:04,300
little a little bit tenuous you are kind

3050
02:21:09,319 --> 02:21:06,479
of jumping around here and obviously

3051
02:21:12,660 --> 02:21:09,329
goes into much much more greater detail

3052
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:12,670
but it's always here in a conversation

3053
02:21:15,719 --> 02:21:14,050
that I got to fit it into a couple of

3054
02:21:21,029 --> 02:21:15,729
minutes but I guarantee you in the book

3055
02:21:24,330 --> 02:21:21,039
there's a little bit more detail you

3056
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:24,340
know presented to back it up I mean am I

3057
02:21:30,420 --> 02:21:26,050
absolutely certain do I have a smoking

3058
02:21:32,250 --> 02:21:30,430
gun as so to speak no however as I said

3059
02:21:37,590 --> 02:21:32,260
that that's kind of what the book is for

3060
02:21:40,200 --> 02:21:37,600
the detail but I thought wow Butch and

3061
02:21:43,860 --> 02:21:40,210
Sundance root Cassady

3062
02:21:45,719 --> 02:21:43,870
allegedly well we know not allegedly he

3063
02:21:48,330 --> 02:21:45,729
we know that he had gone to the governor

3064
02:21:50,189 --> 02:21:48,340
of Utah to discuss amnesty for his

3065
02:21:52,530 --> 02:21:50,199
crimes and the governor of Utah said

3066
02:21:55,380 --> 02:21:52,540
well you know you're gonna have to go to

3067
02:21:57,389 --> 02:21:55,390
that eh Harriman the head of the Union

3068
02:21:59,370 --> 02:21:57,399
Pacific Railroad you know he's the one

3069
02:22:01,380 --> 02:21:59,380
that's gonna have to drop the charges so

3070
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:01,390
we're told that a man who went to a

3071
02:22:06,479 --> 02:22:04,720
governor of the state of a state keenly

3072
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:06,489
interested in amnesty were told that

3073
02:22:11,189 --> 02:22:09,040
after he's told that all he's got to do

3074
02:22:13,019 --> 02:22:11,199
is go to the railroad guy history tells

3075
02:22:16,019 --> 02:22:13,029
us that he just gave up on that and just

3076
02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:16,029
kept up his life of crime well when you

3077
02:22:22,110 --> 02:22:18,850
look closely at the details you find out

3078
02:22:24,990 --> 02:22:22,120
that that yo chairman himself made an

3079
02:22:27,479 --> 02:22:25,000
overture to Bush through a mutual

3080
02:22:30,420 --> 02:22:27,489
associate but he would like to discuss

3081
02:22:32,490 --> 02:22:30,430
with butch which is amnesty first we're

3082
02:22:34,979 --> 02:22:32,500
told that butch who already asked for

3083
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:34,989
amnesty was suddenly not interested in

3084
02:22:38,010 --> 02:22:36,640
that and we're told that he never met

3085
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:38,020
with the a chairman but the funny thing

3086
02:22:43,860 --> 02:22:40,479
is after eh Harriman expressed this

3087
02:22:46,380 --> 02:22:43,870
interest as well as bridgehead butch and

3088
02:22:49,559 --> 02:22:46,390
his gang robbed a Union Pacific asset

3089
02:22:52,530 --> 02:22:49,569
only one more time after that and then

3090
02:22:55,620 --> 02:22:52,540
shortly after that Butch and Sundance

3091
02:22:57,420 --> 02:22:55,630
the the members of their gang which had

3092
02:22:59,219 --> 02:22:57,430
always been able to flee and escape law

3093
02:23:01,740 --> 02:22:59,229
enforcement were suddenly getting caught

3094
02:23:03,570 --> 02:23:01,750
and Butch and Sundance were never

3095
02:23:05,250 --> 02:23:03,580
involved in the shootings of law

3096
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:05,260
enforcement they they had never here's

3097
02:23:08,849 --> 02:23:06,130
the interesting thing

3098
02:23:11,490 --> 02:23:08,859
Butch Cassidy and Harry longabaugh the

3099
02:23:13,380 --> 02:23:11,500
Sundance Kid were never known to have

3100
02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:13,390
killed anyone and yet Harry longabaugh

3101
02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:15,970
was well known to be quite a marksman

3102
02:23:22,410 --> 02:23:18,970
you know what kind of marksman do we

3103
02:23:23,670 --> 02:23:22,420
have hanging out with bad guys who you

3104
02:23:25,590 --> 02:23:23,680
know bad guys who were shooting at

3105
02:23:28,110 --> 02:23:25,600
people's Duff who himself never get

3106
02:23:30,750 --> 02:23:28,120
involved with killing somebody well we

3107
02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:30,760
could argue that a law enforcement agent

3108
02:23:37,309 --> 02:23:34,090
or undercover ask that might explain

3109
02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:37,319
that and the book goes into why I

3110
02:23:42,420 --> 02:23:40,090
suspect that Harry longabaugh himself

3111
02:23:44,910 --> 02:23:42,430
may have been an asset for law

3112
02:23:48,570 --> 02:23:44,920
enforcement you know instead of being an

3113
02:23:51,269 --> 02:23:48,580
hour and 45 million into a four hour or

3114
02:23:53,650 --> 02:23:51,279
possibly two part movie here because

3115
02:23:57,010 --> 02:23:53,660
it's getting so intricate we've got air

3116
02:23:58,510 --> 02:23:57,020
we have serial killers we have Germans

3117
02:24:00,370 --> 02:23:58,520
we have spies

3118
02:24:05,050 --> 02:24:00,380
we have Butch Cassidy and the Sundance

3119
02:24:07,350 --> 02:24:05,060
Kid the mind is boggling and people long

3120
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ago said that my mind was somehow

3121
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boggled for one reason or another that

3122
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we won mention on the air but we're not

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going to be boggling anymore here except

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to say that we have Walter Bosley back

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dick done right this is Jacques Vallee

3223
02:29:03,809 --> 02:28:51,520
you're listening to the podcast the gold

3224
02:29:10,210 --> 02:29:07,240
now I have to tell you that we did put

3225
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:10,220
up a question bank thread in our forums

3226
02:29:14,650 --> 02:29:13,040
at forum dr. Thorpe our cast comm that

3227
02:29:17,170 --> 02:29:14,660
has lots of questions a lot of it is

3228
02:29:20,019 --> 02:29:17,180
stuff that Walter has already answered

3229
02:29:21,910 --> 02:29:20,029
in our forum you go for the answers

3230
02:29:23,290 --> 02:29:21,920
there and we don't have time to repeat

3231
02:29:24,070 --> 02:29:23,300
any of that stuff because we're just

3232
02:29:25,719 --> 02:29:24,080
getting started

3233
02:29:29,380 --> 02:29:25,729
and we're almost at the end of the show

3234
02:29:33,490 --> 02:29:29,390
so with all these disparate elements

3235
02:29:35,590 --> 02:29:33,500
working together I mean is it possible

3236
02:29:38,500 --> 02:29:35,600
that it's all coincidence and we have a

3237
02:29:41,139 --> 02:29:38,510
separate set of murders we have separate

3238
02:29:43,660 --> 02:29:41,149
airships we have Butch Cassidy and the

3239
02:29:46,870 --> 02:29:43,670
Sundance Kid is it all just a crazy

3240
02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:46,880
coincidence how do you put together and

3241
02:29:54,639 --> 02:29:51,290
say there's more to it it could all be

3242
02:29:56,740 --> 02:29:54,649
just you know unconnected my whole bunch

3243
02:29:59,530 --> 02:29:56,750
of it could just be flat-out you know

3244
02:30:03,250 --> 02:29:59,540
that that you know my my theories could

3245
02:30:06,429 --> 02:30:03,260
be wrong my analysis could be wrong on

3246
02:30:08,740 --> 02:30:06,439
some stuff I mean it could you know

3247
02:30:11,380 --> 02:30:08,750
maybe maybe none of it happened the way

3248
02:30:13,780 --> 02:30:11,390
I'm proposing that it possibly happened

3249
02:30:16,960 --> 02:30:13,790
I will tell you add if you were to ask

3250
02:30:19,900 --> 02:30:16,970
me what are you the most certain of out

3251
02:30:24,090 --> 02:30:19,910
of all this stuff I'll tell you I am and

3252
02:30:28,059 --> 02:30:24,100
remember I'm saying most not 100% okay

3253
02:30:32,139 --> 02:30:28,069
but I am most confident with a couple of

3254
02:30:34,900 --> 02:30:32,149
things number one that correspond was at

3255
02:30:37,870 --> 02:30:34,910
a place and the other thing is that the

3256
02:30:39,790 --> 02:30:37,880
Zodiac killer was indeed killing people

3257
02:30:41,380 --> 02:30:39,800
in association with the energy grid but

3258
02:30:46,090 --> 02:30:41,390
you know to stick with what we were just

3259
02:30:49,360 --> 02:30:46,100
talking about you know yeah it could it

3260
02:30:52,540 --> 02:30:49,370
could all be not the way you know I'm

3261
02:30:54,010 --> 02:30:52,550
seeing it but what's intriguing is and

3262
02:30:56,889 --> 02:30:54,020
and you know others who have looked at

3263
02:31:00,840 --> 02:30:56,899
it have said wow what's intriguing is

3264
02:31:05,650 --> 02:31:00,850
the preponderance of circumstances and

3265
02:31:08,139 --> 02:31:05,660
the possible evidence that you used or

3266
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:08,149
something very close to how I've

3267
02:31:12,310 --> 02:31:10,240
analyzed it and Rick and I presented it

3268
02:31:15,131 --> 02:31:12,320
it is the case

3269
02:31:17,171 --> 02:31:15,141
but you know yeah could I be wrong yeah

3270
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:17,181
any of us could be wrong with with any

3271
02:31:23,381 --> 02:31:20,960
of our research we could be you know but

3272
02:31:25,870 --> 02:31:23,391
you know part of looking into these

3273
02:31:28,690 --> 02:31:25,880
things is is the fact that there are

3274
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:28,700
strange intriguing circumstances in fact

3275
02:31:35,591 --> 02:31:32,000
that you know it's kind of fun to try to

3276
02:31:38,020 --> 02:31:35,601
put these things together and you know

3277
02:31:39,940 --> 02:31:38,030
we could all be wrong with anything who

3278
02:31:42,730 --> 02:31:39,950
knows I I really the way I presented is

3279
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:42,740
you know hey here's this bunch of weird

3280
02:31:48,791 --> 02:31:45,130
stuff that I found here's these strange

3281
02:31:51,160 --> 02:31:48,801
possible connections and you know here's

3282
02:31:52,780 --> 02:31:51,170
what I think is possible you know I

3283
02:31:54,791 --> 02:31:52,790
leave it to the reader you know what do

3284
02:31:56,740 --> 02:31:54,801
you think I do not I don't get into

3285
02:32:00,280 --> 02:31:56,750
debating things I am not trying to

3286
02:32:03,131 --> 02:32:00,290
convince anybody love anything not on

3287
02:32:05,711 --> 02:32:03,141
the hard sell anyway I just you know I

3288
02:32:09,490 --> 02:32:05,721
present it and think what you will that

3289
02:32:11,530 --> 02:32:09,500
honestly my approach that's that's a

3290
02:32:15,190 --> 02:32:11,540
really good place for me to branch off

3291
02:32:17,921 --> 02:32:15,200
your and ask a question by burnt state

3292
02:32:20,680 --> 02:32:17,931
whose one of our our active posters at

3293
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:20,690
forum dr parra cast calm and one of his

3294
02:32:24,041 --> 02:32:22,250
questions is is how would you describe

3295
02:32:26,230 --> 02:32:24,051
the type of writing and research you

3296
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:26,240
complete you often connect together very

3297
02:32:30,341 --> 02:32:28,610
disparate pieces of research which then

3298
02:32:34,030 --> 02:32:30,351
get translated reinterpreted connected

3299
02:32:36,761 --> 02:32:34,040
to a form very complex like a complex

3300
02:32:38,140 --> 02:32:36,771
historical tapestry so he wonders though

3301
02:32:41,051 --> 02:32:38,150
would you describe yourself as a

3302
02:32:43,001 --> 02:32:41,061
revisionist historian a speculator of

3303
02:32:45,430 --> 02:32:43,011
alternative historical realities a

3304
02:32:46,690 --> 02:32:45,440
connoisseur of the unusual how would you

3305
02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:46,700
describe while you're writing new

3306
02:32:52,450 --> 02:32:50,090
research uh I you know I've never really

3307
02:32:57,430 --> 02:32:52,460
thought of what I'm doing or myself in

3308
02:32:59,711 --> 02:32:57,440
terms of of labels and and not that

3309
02:33:01,600 --> 02:32:59,721
there's particularly any necessarily

3310
02:33:03,041 --> 02:33:01,610
anything wrong with with a label I'm

3311
02:33:05,950 --> 02:33:03,051
just honestly I hadn't thought about

3312
02:33:07,541 --> 02:33:05,960
that these books because they're not

3313
02:33:10,150 --> 02:33:07,551
really you know that the books aren't

3314
02:33:13,360 --> 02:33:10,160
about me and my experiences the so my

3315
02:33:15,251 --> 02:33:13,370
focus hasn't been on you know how to you

3316
02:33:16,990 --> 02:33:15,261
know how would I describe what I'm doing

3317
02:33:21,671 --> 02:33:17,000
here I'm just doing it if that makes

3318
02:33:24,341 --> 02:33:21,681
sense I don't know if you know historian

3319
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:24,351
would be accurate it I would look at it

3320
02:33:29,349 --> 02:33:26,090
more as maybe filling in

3321
02:33:32,439 --> 02:33:29,359
curious blanks you know maybe finding

3322
02:33:35,109 --> 02:33:32,449
the the strange little bits that fill in

3323
02:33:38,710 --> 02:33:35,119
the holes and blanks so it doesn't so

3324
02:33:41,319 --> 02:33:38,720
much as revises maybe helps you know

3325
02:33:42,790 --> 02:33:41,329
tune in better a picture but I do

3326
02:33:45,370 --> 02:33:42,800
realize that you know what I'm looking

3327
02:33:47,830 --> 02:33:45,380
at my theories and what Rick and I you

3328
02:33:50,530 --> 02:33:47,840
know presented it and I really realized

3329
02:33:52,269 --> 02:33:50,540
what realm is in and that's why we try

3330
02:33:54,790 --> 02:33:52,279
to present you know especially with the

3331
02:33:57,099 --> 02:33:54,800
first book we say repeatedly you do not

3332
02:34:01,210 --> 02:33:57,109
have to agree with these you know with

3333
02:34:03,069 --> 02:34:01,220
the idea of the energy line and and and

3334
02:34:04,510 --> 02:34:03,079
you know killing somebody on an energy

3335
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:04,520
line will do something magical what

3336
02:34:09,280 --> 02:34:06,170
we're saying is that we think the

3337
02:34:11,469 --> 02:34:09,290
perpetrators if these were murders might

3338
02:34:15,370 --> 02:34:11,479
have believed in that now the second

3339
02:34:17,740 --> 02:34:15,380
book it's yeah you know you have to kind

3340
02:34:19,870 --> 02:34:17,750
of be open to the premise the

3341
02:34:21,519 --> 02:34:19,880
possibility that they were these

3342
02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:21,529
airships and these aeroplus if you're

3343
02:34:27,429 --> 02:34:23,930
just not open to it if you just can't

3344
02:34:29,769 --> 02:34:27,439
accept the notion you probably you're

3345
02:34:31,630 --> 02:34:29,779
wasting your time reading my book you

3346
02:34:34,090 --> 02:34:31,640
know I'm not going to try to hard sell

3347
02:34:36,429 --> 02:34:34,100
my book I'd rather sell 10 copies to

3348
02:34:38,649 --> 02:34:36,439
people sincerely open and interested

3349
02:34:41,769 --> 02:34:38,659
than a hundred copies to people that

3350
02:34:44,679 --> 02:34:41,779
just are just not open to it and you

3351
02:34:46,540 --> 02:34:44,689
know they're seriously I'm really not

3352
02:34:49,510 --> 02:34:46,550
getting rich off of it and that's not my

3353
02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:49,520
my primary motive it's available by the

3354
02:34:53,880 --> 02:34:52,250
way as an e-book and it doesn't mean

3355
02:34:57,630 --> 02:34:53,890
that they can't sell a million copies

3356
02:35:00,099 --> 02:34:57,640
but you know you either have it or don't

3357
02:35:02,019 --> 02:35:00,109
because I footnote at the book the

3358
02:35:04,300 --> 02:35:02,029
initial editions that came out upon

3359
02:35:06,340 --> 02:35:04,310
first release it was not footnoted and

3360
02:35:08,979 --> 02:35:06,350
then about a month later I released the

3361
02:35:11,319 --> 02:35:08,989
footnoted Edition so the current edition

3362
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:11,329
available on Kindle is footnoted I've

3363
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:12,170
been having a little technical

3364
02:35:15,870 --> 02:35:14,090
difficulties in getting the footnoted

3365
02:35:18,370 --> 02:35:15,880
Edition loaded into the print on demand

3366
02:35:20,740 --> 02:35:18,380
program but once I get that loaded

3367
02:35:23,139 --> 02:35:20,750
correctly the print on demand version

3368
02:35:24,700 --> 02:35:23,149
will be available and by the way if you

3369
02:35:26,590 --> 02:35:24,710
have a problem with that Walter let me

3370
02:35:27,969 --> 02:35:26,600
know later I've done that kind of thing

3371
02:35:30,309 --> 02:35:27,979
maybe I can help you a little bit with

3372
02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:30,319
it we have a couple of minutes left here

3373
02:35:36,460 --> 02:35:33,050
Walter Bosley where do you take this

3374
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:36,470
research next to try to put more stuff

3375
02:35:39,710 --> 02:35:37,010
together

3376
02:35:43,729 --> 02:35:39,720
oh boy where it goes next

3377
02:35:46,639 --> 02:35:43,739
is actually what I discovered prior to

3378
02:35:49,969 --> 02:35:46,649
learning about coerced and that has to

3379
02:35:54,849 --> 02:35:49,979
do with another area of the Inland

3380
02:35:59,510 --> 02:35:54,859
Empire and some connections I found that

3381
02:36:04,790 --> 02:35:59,520
we're kind of kind of startling and it

3382
02:36:08,389 --> 02:36:04,800
returns to the milieu of strange and

3383
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:08,399
dark murder and the occult and that's

3384
02:36:16,969 --> 02:36:13,290
pretty much it it involves voodoo it

3385
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:16,979
involves ancient history that's pretty

3386
02:36:22,280 --> 02:36:20,399
much what I'll say about that and it the

3387
02:36:25,550 --> 02:36:22,290
thread that goes through all of this is

3388
02:36:27,740 --> 02:36:25,560
mr. Frank rose ASCO we've been talking

3389
02:36:30,889 --> 02:36:27,750
about the man from with the friends from

3390
02:36:34,280 --> 02:36:30,899
Sonora he factors in the third book as

3391
02:36:35,929 --> 02:36:34,290
well but it it goes away from the

3392
02:36:41,139 --> 02:36:35,939
airship mystery it goes away from at a

3393
02:36:44,660 --> 02:36:41,149
place in returns to the strange story of

3394
02:36:45,309 --> 02:36:44,670
occult murder and darkness in the Inland

3395
02:36:47,719 --> 02:36:45,319
Empire

3396
02:36:50,090 --> 02:36:47,729
Walter Bosley tell our listeners where

3397
02:36:51,500 --> 02:36:50,100
they can get copies of these two books

3398
02:36:55,580 --> 02:36:51,510
and of course the third when it comes

3399
02:36:57,349 --> 02:36:55,590
out well at amazon.com on Kendall I'd

3400
02:36:59,570 --> 02:36:57,359
like to remind everybody or tell those

3401
02:37:01,969 --> 02:36:59,580
who don't know Amazon gives the Kindle

3402
02:37:04,099 --> 02:37:01,979
application away for free so not having

3403
02:37:06,769 --> 02:37:04,109
a Kindle device there's no reason to not

3404
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:06,779
read you know there's no reason to not

3405
02:37:10,519 --> 02:37:08,399
read a Kindle book because you can

3406
02:37:12,650 --> 02:37:10,529
download the Kindle app onto your

3407
02:37:15,740 --> 02:37:12,660
computer your laptop whatever your phone

3408
02:37:18,320 --> 02:37:15,750
smartphone whatever and you two can have

3409
02:37:19,639 --> 02:37:18,330
Kindle books without a Kindle device so

3410
02:37:24,019 --> 02:37:19,649
right now that's where it's available

3411
02:37:27,080 --> 02:37:24,029
both of the books and very soon print on

3412
02:37:28,099 --> 02:37:27,090
demand and then of course the third book

3413
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:28,109
will be available

3414
02:37:32,900 --> 02:37:31,050
hopefully in December okay Walter do you

3415
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:32,910
have a site or a place our listeners can

3416
02:37:35,479 --> 02:37:34,170
get in touch with you if they have

3417
02:37:38,269 --> 02:37:35,489
questions or maybe some more more

3418
02:37:43,330 --> 02:37:38,279
information to present yes I have an

3419
02:37:47,229 --> 02:37:43,340
empire of The Wheel dot blog spot.com

3420
02:37:50,300 --> 02:37:47,239
that is the site for this research and

3421
02:37:51,979 --> 02:37:50,310
activities related to it I will link to

3422
02:37:52,460 --> 02:37:51,989
that so those of you who want to know

3423
02:37:53,450 --> 02:37:52,470
more

3424
02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:53,460
especially the neck

3425
02:37:59,900 --> 02:37:56,130
book empire of the wheel three the

3426
02:38:01,640 --> 02:37:59,910
nameless ones speaking of nameless Chris

3427
02:38:03,730 --> 02:38:01,650
O'Brien where do we find more of your

3428
02:38:06,770 --> 02:38:03,740
stuff I'm joking

3429
02:38:08,990 --> 02:38:06,780
okay we live on a strange planet as

3430
02:38:11,750 --> 02:38:09,000
Walter's very unsightly pointed out and

3431
02:38:14,600 --> 02:38:11,760
my side is our strange planet that's our

3432
02:38:16,940 --> 02:38:14,610
strange planet calm you can find us on

3433
02:38:20,120 --> 02:38:16,950
Twitter where we were known as the power

3434
02:38:22,520 --> 02:38:20,130
cast we're also on Facebook as the power

3435
02:38:24,170 --> 02:38:22,530
cast fan club in fact we have two of

3436
02:38:27,530 --> 02:38:24,180
them and one day we'll figure out how to

3437
02:38:30,350 --> 02:38:27,540
make them one under the same a camp

3438
02:38:33,590 --> 02:38:30,360
isn't that weird I'll tell you but this

3439
02:38:35,300 --> 02:38:33,600
is weird this is fun and it's also right

3440
02:38:37,690 --> 02:38:35,310
for another discussion because we have

3441
02:38:40,130 --> 02:38:37,700
questions we haven't had time to ask

3442
02:38:41,719 --> 02:38:40,140
Walter Bosley thank you so much for

3443
02:38:44,840 --> 02:38:41,729
joining us this week on the power cast

3444
02:38:47,210 --> 02:38:44,850
thank you guys so much for having me on

3445
02:38:55,950 --> 02:38:47,220
and letting me know much about what it

3446
02:39:02,350 --> 02:38:59,440
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3447
02:39:05,370 --> 02:39:02,360
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3448
02:39:09,070 --> 02:39:05,380
presentation of making the impossible